Am I missing something obvious with the negative responses to #SubClub? I've seen complaints about people being opposed to artists and other creators making any money from their work, ever, is it just more of that?
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@stefan
There's just a lot of people whose primary mode is to react negatively to everything. It'd be one thing to have negative reaction to change, but a bunch also react the same way to status quo, as well.The only way I have been able to understand it is as a form of mental disorder, perhaps PTSD induced.
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Stefan Bohacekreplied to Osma A last edited by [email protected]
@osma I don't know if I'd go that far. Perhaps it's just folks being misguided. We should absolutely oppose things that made the web worse, like invasive advertising, hoarding of personal data, surveillance, etc.
But we also need to come up with ways to make our online communities sustainable.
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Allan Haverholmreplied to Stefan Bohacek last edited by
@stefan I'm supersceptical of what Sub Club might bring to the fediverse. As an artist, and art interested person, I show my work and love seeing others' work here — and I have a LiberaPay account that shifts some much appreciated but small change my way every month.
But I wouldn't use Sub Club because as I understand it, it monetises the feed itself, my toots not my work. That is a drastic difference from a social space where I can show my work, make contacts, but also shoot my mouth off about whatever I want. It becomes instead a commercial space, which always makes me uncomfortable.
I don't know, but I assume that most artists will feel the same? What I do associate with monetised feeds is the kind of click-hungry, eyeball chasing sensationalism that influencers on other platforms seem to get infected with. And again, I like how few of those have managed to get a foothold in the fediverse so far.
So when I reactively reject Sub Club, it's not at all to deny other artists an opportunity to make a living, it's from the experience that premium feeds will enable an influencer culture more than they will independent, struggling creatives.
But what do I know, I'm not going to pay for any premium feed, so I won't have to pay any attention to them
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Stefan Bohacekreplied to Allan Haverholm last edited by [email protected]
@haverholm "as I understand it, it monetises the feed itself, my toots not my work"
That is an interesting point. But isn't that how Patreon kind of works? I've seen people "paywall" tutorials, bonus articles, etc. I suppose the default character limit on most fediverse platforms wouldn't support this too well, but still might be somewhat usable?
Folks can still upload artwork, link to unlisted videos, share discount codes, etc.
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Stefan Bohacekreplied to Stefan Bohacek last edited by
@haverholm I don't know, again, this is not my area of expertise, but as you said, this should be relatively easy to ignore if you don't want to use the service and don't subscribe to anyone.
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@stefan I think I can see where some are coming from. There is a joy in being somewhere where I’m not being sold anything, and that’s been how Fediverse has been for awhile, and I can appreciate wanting to resist a bunch of businesses showing up on the fediverse seeing it as an untapped market to extract money from.
At the same time, community spaces IRL tend to have some commercial activity and that doesn’t make a space inherently bad. And I love seeing indie people make stuff on here!
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@harpaa01 Yeah, I mean, I think we should support artists and creators, that really shouldn't be controversial. If there are better ways, we should explore those as well, sure. I'd love to see things like Universal Basic Income, more accessible grants and stipends for artists, etc.
But until then, these people need to make money somehow.
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@stefan It's just some people being unreasonable on the internet
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@ame Hopefully it's just a phase!
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@stefan The main negative response I've seen that makes sense is - it's closed to anything related to sex work (so, comparisons with OnlyFans are sadly invalid). But that's because the payment processor used, Stripe, is notoriously anti-sexwork friendly. Aside from that, I think that the open social web /absolutely/ needs paid channels. We need that Substack analogue, etc.
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@dmitri Ah, okay, that makes sense!