I agree with Jonathan Weiler, and this is one reason I have shared some of the valuable commentary I'm reading about the failure of the DNC to permit a Palestinian-American voice to give public witness:
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I agree with Jonathan Weiler, and this is one reason I have shared some of the valuable commentary I'm reading about the failure of the DNC to permit a Palestinian-American voice to give public witness:
"I understand that many Democrats, desperate to see Trump defeated in November, a feeling I obviously share, just want the issue of Gaza and of Palestinian suffering to go away, at least until the election is over."
#DNC #Democrats #Israel #Gaza #Palestinians
/1https://jonathanweiler.substack.com/p/the-dnc-should-have-allowed-a-palestinian
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"But in yet to be written histories, what is happening in Gaza now, the unrelenting killing of Palestinians and destruction of its society, the consequences of which will reverberate for generations, will be understood to be a monstrous crime that too few people spoke out against."
It was eye-opening to have someone claiming to support Kamala Harris respond to my thread of postings yesterday about this topic call me a liar.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
That behavior militates in the worst way possible against a major theme of this DNC — namely, that Democrats need to maintain a wide tent that includes many types of different others, a tent in which we listen respectfully to others different from ourselves.
When you imagine you're making a moral argument by trying to shut down open discussion of moral issues others see differently, you've proven you understand nothing about morality.
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John G Fitzgeraldreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy USA will be condemned as an accomplice in genocide, for generations.
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Exiled New Yorker - Conniereplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Thank you for posting this.
A similar post/point was made this morning and the poster was auto blocked by others in the conversation, then reported.
I was confused, inquired and it was very nicely explained to me that no mention of Gaza is to be made on their instance.
I’m confused by *THAT* too but their instance, their rules.
I must respect that.
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Chris Halereplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy I am bewildered people look for excuses to justify a position that is untenable. When instead people should begin acknowledging the reality, start listening to Palestinian voices, and advocate for change.
Also, I maintain a hard line that smearing people is unacceptable behavior. I call it out when I see it; they have the burden of proof. Or I ignore it and save myself some time
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@wdlindsy The Jonathan article misses the mark & acts like this all happened in a vacuum. Many dems I know saw the protests as another 'blame the dems' activity from the republicans, since the protests ignored the Republican role in USA war policy. Where were the protests at the Trump rallies? I even heard a protester call the DNC 'their enemy'. Why should someone who only attacks democrats be allowed at their convention? It's basic human nature at work here, not a huge moral issue.
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@timo21 I understand the sensitivities and cautions. At the same time, I think those who saying that there will be a price to pay for the choice to exclude Palestinian voices at the DNC are correct. You simply do not do that, especially when people are being treated as those in Gaza are now being treated, and evade the verdict of history.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Chris Hale last edited by
@chrispomeroyhale Yes, this is how I see it, too. I instinctively recoil when people try to use coercion and bullying to shut down discussions of moral issues — as has happened over and over with the issue of abortion. And I truly, truly don't get the apparent belief of some folks on social media that they have a right to mount direct personal attacks against people they don't even know — and to call those folks allies!
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Exiled New Yorker - Connie last edited by
@Pagan_Animist When there's the need to resort to silencing, bullying, coercion to shut down necessary discussion of morally complicated issues, people using those tools have totally undermined their argument to be representing a moral viewpoint.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to John G Fitzgerald last edited by
@j_g_fitzgerald So I fear.
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One World One Peoplereplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy @chrispomeroyhale TWW: A truth cannot stand alone, it is always in response to deception. The danger that deception presents can be overt in its risk or subtle. *Generally I am very apolitical but did give this some thought. The end of which was that I suspect that the Gaza issue will be fully represented during campaign stops with those unheard voices given prominent positions to influence voters. There is always a path to Peace. OWOP
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@wdlindsy That's another thing: People that are not dems act like no dems at all know the horrible history of the Palestinian people. That's really insulting. There is a lot of sympathy and empathy among the rank and file dems for the Palestinian people. Just from watching Democracy Now for decades, if nothing else. The protestors personal and specific attacks on dems & on dem gatherings & not on republican gatherings really caused this whole situation. Dems are tired of the double standard.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to One World One People last edited by
@OWOP @chrispomeroyhale I'm hoping you're right that the Gaza issue will be thoroughly addressed as the campaign unfolds, with the inclusion of those unheard voices. This is what I hope for, too.
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@timo21 I think the frustration is not primarily with Democrats, but with the refusal of leading Democrats to reconsider the fanatically pro-Israeli (and anti-Palestinian) policy that has obtained for a long time now — and which has been dictated, really, by right-wing Republicans. But dictated with Democratic collusion and complicity….
Many Democrats think it's time to reassess that policy, and don't want to have this discussion shut down by coercive, bullying forces that insist on silence.
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@Bwasscher @timo21 Thank you. I agree!