Is there a "normie" or more mainstream instance for Lemmy?

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Beehaw is definitely quite left but it’s more polite so maybe that would be better for normies that are willing to follow strict rules over there.

Avid Amoeba

Our overton window is only a few degrees to the left of the US.

Also the Ontario Liberals conducted a UBI pilot in Hamilton during the 2010s with the goal of proposing some form of it as a policy if results were positive.

Then there's been the UBI experiment in Manitoba during the 70s.

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Unless you’re willing to go with a very closed off instance you’re still going to be interacting with the broader fediverse which is very left.

I don’t think that’s really going to change unless there is another big migration and I don’t necessarily want it to. But I would like if Lemmings would be kinder to one another and realize that not having read 800 pages of leftist theory doesn’t mean you’re an evil imperialist. Everyone is on their own journey to understanding the world and I think a lot of people here are so judgmental that they would be fighting with their own past and future selves if they could meet them. It’s OK to disagree sometimes. Yes, even when people hold harmful views. We all do to some extent.

Ada

The US has a nazi sympathising president, backed by a billionaire who gives nazi salutes in public. So I don't agree that saying the US is to the right of most of the world is incorrect.

Diva (she/her)

There was a primary this time around and it was even more of a farce than usual. The party just straight up ignored all the people voting uncommitted, to all of our detriment.

People did not do whatever they think should have happened and thus I will name call them.

I don't actually understand what this is saying.

Either way this isn't the place for a back and forth on this kind of thing, so I won't be discussing the election further.

To steer back to your original topic though, you seem accustomed to the type of censorship of the left that's typical on Reddit. Many of the people that are here are specifically here because the left wing communities they were participating in were systematically removed from reddit.

The reality is in a place like this sometimes you're going to hear dissenting opinions, unless you're very selective in your instance and only browse local.

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Generally, classically I’ve understood Socialism to still involve central planning of industry/production.

Socialism is worker control of the means of production, which can take many forms. What it is, most distinctively, is incompatible with capitalism, which is investor control of the means of production.

Whereas most modern socialist democracies tend to heavily regulate industry and enact social welfare programs to minimize the effects of different classes etc.

The most successful socialist parties in the West take the view that the harm of capitalism should be reduced while it still exists; they still believe in the eventual abolition of capitalism.

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Most people voted for Trump.

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Who is much more left wing than Canada?

Avid Amoeba

Mainstream leftist parties aren't necessarily leftist, especially economically leftist. E.g. the Democratic party in the US.

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Well, there is a distinction between the the leadership and the populace. The context here was about the populace, since that is who is participating in these online conversations. I agree with you that the current government is an extreme right one. And yes many people did vote for this but I suspect many do not support his full agenda, they were just fooled into thinking this was the least bad option.

Avid Amoeba

And the harm reduction comes in the form of removing parts of the economy from capitalism, which is ... anti-capitalist.

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Please join a small instance. Lemmy doesn't work if people don't spread out. Just choose some small instance that seems chill. You can search and sub to any community. It really makes no difference.

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Speak for yourself.

There were a lot of people that looked for a Reddit alternative not because of particularly strong feelings politically or towards corporations in general but instead because Reddit broke their main method of interacting with Reddit (third party mobile apps) while simultaneously completely breaking the moderator tools to quell the shitstorm and maintain quality discussion.

I left Reddit because I saw it going further to shit faster than it ever had before, and they communicated loud and clear that they didn't want users like me that cared about having control and options over how we interacted with the site.

None of my accounts there ever had a single comment removed by a mod, although I had been preemptively banned from multiple subs due to posting in others.

Ada

A nazi sympathising president was voted in, because the overton window has shifted sufficiently to the right to allow that to happen.

Optional

The key is finding the communities you like and blocking the others, and users, that you dont.

There’s an up-front time-cost but it’s easy to adjust and makes for a great experience.

Avid Amoeba

Do you know that when they use the term liberalism, they likely mean economic liberalism?

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I got banned from every platform, and my account on lemmy.world was also banned.

Gee, from your comments on this post I could never imagine how that could happen.

If everywhere you go people smell like shit, maybe you should check your shoes.

I'd strongly suggest that the issue isn't your beliefs, but that you're about as abrasive as kissing the pavement at 75mph.

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Then maybe don't waste energy being shitty online and instead build the local community and personal resources to protect your ass.

If I was in your situation looking at the changes Trump did in just the executive orders his first day, I can tell you one thing that would be at the absolute fucking bottom of my todo list: argue on the fucking internet.

Avid Amoeba

Can vouch for this. I learned a thing or two from people who had the patience to explain. Including some ML people. @[email protected] for example has nerves of steel. Permanent snark isn't useful but it's understandable, especially coming from people who are being actively harmed.

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shifted to the point where a double Sieg Heil at your president's inauguration is within normal discourse

Haha thank you. I'm not even American but to me it's pretty shocking to find out that this place, world of all instances, is too 'extreme' for people. Maybe I really am a dirty radical but I think that if people who consider themselves democrats are still fucking clutching their pearls about the left wing being too left wing while Elon Musk does open nazi salutes and trans people get their rights and dignity stripped away, then it's no wonder the USA is so fucked.

You guys clearly need a new political party because your choices are overt right wingers, or spineless right wingers that like to pretend they represent the left.