The actual outcome of this election with •the whole US population• as the denominator:
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@inthehands Trump won the popular vote and the electoral vote. America is getting what it asked for.
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Re @davids7’s question: my numbers are back-of-napkin calculations using press reports of current vote tally + sloppy web searching for US population and voting-eligible population. Please take my numbers with the appropriate gain of salt.
The broad “each group is about about 1/4” conclusion should be approximately correct, but don't stare too hard at exact percentages until somebody does this calculation a bit more carefully.
David (@[email protected])
@[email protected] Would love to share this more widely but would like to have sources for these numbers before doing so.
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@MyOpinion
No, all of the US is getting what 1/4 of the US asked for. -
Daniël Franke :panheart:replied to Paul Cantrell last edited by
@inthehands OK, just making sure, as I do know that many places in the US ban ex-convicts from voting.
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The broader point of my OP here is that there are a lot of analyses circulating that use more meticulously gathered data about •the wrong questions• — or at least about flawed questions that ignore over half the population of the country.
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Paul Cantrellreplied to Daniël Franke :panheart: last edited by
@ainmosni
Indeed it does. They're in that 28% too.Two things we need to be careful about are:
- “eligible but did not vote” includes both apathy and suppression
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@RnDanger @inthehands I’m pretty sure that number has to include children
The other percentages indicate the full population of the US, including kids
I believe it’s around 2-3% of adult population who is ineligible to vote due to felony convictions and I can’t think of any other reason for ineligibility
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Paul Cantrellreplied to Peter Butler last edited by [email protected]
@peterbutler @RnDanger I pulled total US population, which would include children, and presumably also non-citizens.
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@inthehands
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@inthehands Looks like a narrow majority of the whole population comprises people who were eligible to vote and yet decided that voting to stop Trump wasn’t their bag. Hard to put a positive spin on that.
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@janxdevil
Keep in mind that the 26% and the 28% both include people whose vote was suppressed: wanted to vote, but couldn't. So probably not quite a majority are as you describe.Still damned depressing.
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@jwi @inthehands I reckon the usa would be more useful if those people were eligible to vote.
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Like…just for starters, if you're walking down the street thinking, “Did HALF of these people really vote for this miserable fascist shitstain?,” the answer to that question is, “No, about a quarter did.”
…Which is still pretty damn depressing, but…well, I find that that thought does give me a substantially different picture of the country I live in.
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Paul Cantrellreplied to Queer Like The Slur last edited by
@coolandnormal @jwi
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@inthehands Very good point! Our election process is a mess.
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@MyOpinion
Yeah. Democracy itself is a deeply flawed idea — worse than everything except all the alternatives — but we sure could do a better job of it. -
@inthehands of course, only a quarter voted Against him, too
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@inthehands I'm reminded of an episode of All In The Family, where Mike was a Democrat, and his FIL Archie was a die-hard Republican. Except Mike discovered that Archie hadn't voted in ages (I don't remember exactly). So Mike's question was, "How can you criticize the government when you didn't even vote?"
It's stunning that 28% of voters just didn't vote. Why not?
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@BillSeitz
Yup, and then half either didn't care or •wanted• to vote but couldn't, and we have very little idea how the balance between those two shakes out, so…grand, sweeping judgements that are actually accurate about the US seem to be elusive. -
@inthehands 93 million too indifferent or sexist to vote and instead sat on their hands. What a disgrace.
