Would you share your Fediverse data with researchers?
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Michael Vogelreplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by@evan The moment someone uses your data to get information, you go from being a user to being a product. I don't have problems with things like the number of users on a server, the number of posts on a server and things like that. But I really don't like anything that analyses the social graph (who interacts with whom and so on).
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Michael Vogel last edited by
@heluecht even for academic research?
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@JasonPester if *you* share it, isn't that permission?
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Manu :fediquebec: last edited by
@manu why qualified?
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Michael Vogelreplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
@evan To use a famous quote: "I have a bad feeling about this".
Every observation influences the object being observed. Knowing that my interactions may be observed and analysed is likely to make me overthink my actions, because I would automatically try to behave in a way that would influence the outcome.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Michael Vogel last edited by
@heluecht last question: have you ever participated as a research subject before in another part of your life?
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@evan I don't view it that way. I choose to share content / data on platforms with an understanding of how that platform respects my rights to the content / data I post. Others have expressed a similar sentiment (see links below). I'm a straight male, but I think the author's point in the Medium article regarding LGBTQ+ outing through network data analysis is a good one.
https://bmatb.medium.com/social-media-privacy-mastodon-mining-ffcbb359cc42
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@JasonPester OK. I feel like the phrasing of the question suggests consent, but ok if you don't.
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@evan Would have voted "qualified no" if I actually could, at this point. Experiences with "researchers" on other platforms leave me very very cautious and concerned here. Much more than these, however: _My_ Fediverse data itself is irrelevant. What matters seems data that somehow relates me to others, and I can't at all be sure most (or even all) of my contacts are willing for me to share any information on our interactions, communications, messages. Plus, it feels at least not trivial to handle data from people that agreed _and_, from that set, weeding out data from people that have _not_ agreed without actually having at least this interaction information at hand, back then.
(On the other end, most of my communication out here is public. I have learnt not to very much trust the Fediverse and specificially ActivityPub from a technical perspective with real "private" data so guess any researcher could probably go there and utilize some sort of web or AP crawler to get whichever public information is there without a second thought.) -
Michael Vogelreplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
@evan While writing about European privacy laws, I realised that any Fediverse research that uses personal data (even the public data) would have to be on a strict opt-in basis for European users.
When you subscribe to a social network (Fediverse-based or otherwise), you always have to agree to its terms of use, which also have to tell you something about how your data will be used. If there is no mention of (academic) research, then no one is allowed to use my data for that. Data like "who interacts with whom" (the social graph) is declared as very sensitive data, so it can never be used for anything other than the intended purpose (communication) unless I explicitly agree.
The fines are really high. Meta, for example, has had to pay fines of more than 2 billion euros in recent years, Amazon almost 800 million euros, and so on.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Michael Vogel last edited by
So, in my mind, "Would you share your Fediverse data with researchers?" implies that you have agency to share or not, and that you can consent or not.
But I guess you're reading it a different way.
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@z428 Why don't you trust ActivityPub with private data? It's as good as email.
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@evan At first, I don't trust e-mail with really "private" data either, due to its very nature (store-and-forward, unencrypted metadata, encryption mainly "just" done using PGP/GPG with long-lived private keys closely tied to my identity).
Plus, I think these things don't really compare. E-mail, by default, has access control and whatever is in _my_ mailbox is supposed to be in _my_ mailbox. With maybe the exception of mailing lists, I usually don't have such a thing as an e-mail sent out to a "random public" - it's always addressing one specific recipient and usually supposed to end up in this persons very inbox invisible to someone else. Fediverse, to me, seems more like "the old WWW" here where a lot of things are public by default and anything to reduce visibility is somewhat difficult to do right on top.
Adding to that, for ActivityPub things seem slightly more complex depending on how various implementations handle things. In example, I've seen a bunch of situations in which "private" or "follower-only" messages have made it to public views in Friendica. Not sure whether these issues arising from loopholes or weaknesses in ActivityPub as a spec or "just" flaws in individual implementations, yet this makes me very very cautious how to make sure "private" messages actually remain "private".
cc @heluecht
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whither and d'yereplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
@evan depends on whether we mean academic research or corporate data scientists
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Evan Prodromoureplied to whither and d'ye last edited by
@squinky would you say yes to either?
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Thibault Molleman🇧🇪 🌈🐝replied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
@evan That is really vague tbf. What data? the data that's already public?
yes. But only if it's for academic non-commercial research
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Thibault Molleman🇧🇪 🌈🐝 last edited by
@thibaultmol it's a hypothetical question. The point is for you to think about what data you would share under what conditions.
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@evan academic researcher here. I'd really love to be involved in the researching of the Fediverse. What's being planned by swf? Data, interviews, UX, all of it hopefully. Sign me up.
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@evan I actually just started a research project about environmental stewardship and social media. We are getting data from insta, fb, yt, tiktok & Twitter but we did not consider the fediverse. Too few users + hard to get consent.