Do you ever mind having a fedi post you've made linked to in a non-controversial thread?
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Yeah, for me it's not a hard-and-fast number. It also depends on the original post and the context, for example if it was public (as opposed to unlisted) and they included a hashtag then I typically won't ask because they clearly don't mind visibility. But if it's something that's seems like it's part of a more narrowly scoped discussion, I won't even boost without asking.
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It's frustrating beause here's where the fediverse's stated preference for consent really should kick in.
Affordance alert!!!!! Why not have a nuanced "quoting policy" associated with each account, with potentially different values for friends and 'everbody', options including yes / no / please ask, and a built-in mechanism for asking (without having to take the time to craft a politely-worded post and figure out whether to send it as a DM that might get missed or a public request that potentially puts pressure on the person)?
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dragonfrog, hungry wafflereplied to Erin Kissane on last edited by
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I'm imagining something like "dragonfrog did a really good job explaining this in (link to thread"I avoid this becoming an issue by generally doing a bad job explaining things.
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Here's what I'm currently saying about this general issue in the revision-in-progress of https://privacy.thenexus.today/things-white-people-can-do-draft/ ... feedback very welcome!
"There's an important caveat here: especially given the risk of harassment, a lot of times people don't want their voices to be amplified. So especially if it's an account with relatively-few followers, if somebody's not trying to call attention to their post and/or is saying something as part of a conversation with friends then *don't* amplify the posts (and when in doubt, it's better not to amplify)."
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angel wings at the bus stopreplied to Jon on last edited by
@jdp23 @Elucidating @kissane this seems very similar to gotosocial's new proposed interaction policies, especially canAnnounce https://docs.gotosocial.org/en/latest/federation/posts/#interaction-policy
it would need to be surfaced to you in a human-readable way though
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Jonreplied to angel wings at the bus stop on last edited by
agreed, it's an extension of GoToSocial's very valuable work. the big difference is the "ask" functionality (and mechanism to respond) @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]
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angel wings at the bus stopreplied to Jon on last edited by
@jdp23 @Elucidating @kissane the gotosocial protocol has both always and approvalRequired values, so theoretically that type of interaction is also considered
but I can imagine it gets more fuzzy if it "just works" if you try to boost the post directly, and is more opaque if you want to copy a link to the post manually and need to know if you should ask out of band
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@dragonfrog My main use case is "this great link from dragonfrog led me down X and Y rabbitholes, eternal gratitude, etc" so er, watch out for posting good links
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Jonreplied to angel wings at the bus stop on last edited by
oh i didn't realize that, thanks for clarifying! @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]
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@kissane Linked to a *different* thread than it was originally posted to and intended for? No, I always mind that and don't give my permission for it. It is a safety issue primarily. Also, non-controversial according to whom, eh.
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@fembot Well, according to me, in this case.
In my own context, I'm talking about people publicly posting interesting links, talking about their academic research, pointing to art, things like that. All of those things can be controversial, of course, but it's usually easy to see which things will *definitely* draw heat.
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Erin Kissanereplied to Erin Kissane on last edited by
@fembot So…many of the kinds of photos and things that you boost, but with thoughtful commentary rather than just a direct boost.
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Erin Kissanereplied to Erin Kissane on last edited by [email protected]
So the result here is that the overwhelming majority of people who voted in the poll are fine with having their posts (politely) linked to/quote-posted, and a few people *really* don't want to be.
Right now there's no consistent way to indicate this preference. So you ask every time just in case, or you kind of squint and guess about when to ask, or you just go ahead without asking and ignore that there's a small segment of fedi that has a really different norm.
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Erin Kissanereplied to Erin Kissane on last edited by [email protected]
There's some discussion in the thread about ways of handling this in future fedi tech, which is interesting but obviously way down the road.
It feels to me like a good candidate for some lightweight metadata in profiles/bios?
(For me, the nature of the comments from the few people who don't like it means I'll keep asking unless someone states a preference in their bio.)
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Erin Kissanereplied to Erin Kissane on last edited by [email protected]
(I just put a QUOTE PREFS section in my profile metadata.)
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Apple Annie :mstdn:replied to Erin Kissane on last edited by
@kissane I think I've only ever asked one person but it was because I was going to quote a thread in a blog post. The person preferred I not, so that was that.
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Erin Kissanereplied to Apple Annie :mstdn: on last edited by
@anniegreens Weirdly, no one has ever told me no! But I think I mostly ask fairly public people.
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People have occasionally told me no. But given the results of the poll, it's only like 1% who feel that way, so it's not actually weird that it hasn't happened to you! @[email protected] @[email protected]
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Dr.Implausiblereplied to Erin Kissane on last edited by
@kissane Interesting results.
It feels like it's a question of cultural expectations, where we have to recognize that participating in SocMed is basically becoming a mass media "broadcaster" after a fashion, and we have to be okay for that.
For those not down with it, a flag on the post or account in the prefs might do (this adopts the No Duets/ No Stitches flag of TikTok or YT, frex). User control.
Feel like "prefs in bio" just opens another attack vector, tbh.
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@kissane Hi. It's still hard to believe your reply here, in the sense that it doesn't seem like something you'd say...out loud, anyway. To clarify, as bio-noted my posts and replies are deleted on the regular. And sans quote-posts most 'thoughtful commentary' such as it is goes with it.
I couldn't quite verbalize my response earlier but it seemed important enough to try.
Still looking forward to hearing your recent conference talk, even so.