Now that the #BCElxn2024 has been called with the #BCNDP to form Government I would just like to say that we would not have had to wait so long to know the outcome if had Proportional Representation.

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

Now that the #BCElxn2024 has been called with the #BCNDP to form Government I would just like to say that we would not have had to wait so long to know the outcome if we had Proportional Representation.

The popular vote share has not changed significantly since Election Night.
BC NDP: 44.9% = 43 seats
CPBC: 43.3% = 41 seats
GreenBC: 8.2% = 9 seats

We would already be well on our way to some sort of coalition or confidence & supply deal to form government.

FPTP Sucks!
#BCPoli #ElectoralReform

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@chris
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t one of the parties have yet to give up a seat for the speaker? I can’t see the Cons playing nice. And for the Greens the choice is either hold the balance or disappear into irrelevance.

It should be interesting times yet.

#BCPoli #BCElxn2024

felix

@chris
Are you advocating for PR with zero ridings, i.e. potentially no nearby representatives?

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

@crispius exactly right. At 47 the expectation is the NDP will appoint a speaker. But that would bring them to 46 seats so the speaker would break any tie and generally the speaker votes with the government. So I would expect there still to be talk about an agreement with the greens.

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

@felix not advocating for any specific type. Just anything that would give us a proportional result in seats.

felix

@chris
Be careful not to promote a non-existent model that combines the best aspects of each model of PR, even though these aspects are mutually incompatible!

E.g. with PR using 7-member ridings (dividing all of BC into ~13 ridings), you need >12.5% of the vote in a riding to guarantee getting a seat.

And in many elections we'd still be waiting for the postal votes to see which parties made it over/under the various thresholds (though I'm happy to wait if the system is fairer)

Gordon J Holtslander

@crispius "The speaker" issue was very interesting in 2017, Darryl Plecas, a BC Liberal (an opposition member) took the role of speaker giving the NDP/Green a majority https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/09/08/BC-Liberals-Cry-Betrayal-Darryl-Plecas-Speaker/

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@pinhman
Yeah. This time around though I expect the Cons to do everything in their power to undermine the NDP.

MAGA-style conservatism is all about disruption and sowing chaos so they can claim that the system is broken.

I can’t see them putting up a speaker.

#BCPoli #BCElxn2024

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

@felix yes there will always be close elections but at least if we know the general outcome sooner and that outcome will always be fair and based on what people actually vote, then it is a better system.

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

@pinhman @crispius hero!

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

@crispius @pinhman it will be easier for the NDP to put up the speaker and make a deal with the Greens for confidence.

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@chris
I agree that this is the most sensible path forward. But politics is sometimes anything but sensible.

@pinhman

Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

@crispius @pinhman certainly!