Bluesky CEO Jay Graber says X rival is ‘billionaire proof’ https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/21/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-says-x-rival-is-billionaire-proof.html
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Bluesky CEO Jay Graber says X rival is ‘billionaire proof’ https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/21/bluesky-ceo-jay-graber-says-x-rival-is-billionaire-proof.html
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@rolle lol, lmao even, and might i add also a rotfl
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Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is saying stuff that isn't true.
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@FediThing @rolle CEOs lying? THEY WOULD NEVER!!!
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Roni Laukkarinenreplied to Roni Laukkarinen last edited by
Let's dissect this...
"“The billionaire proof is in the way everything is designed, and so if someone bought or if the Bluesky company went down, everything is open source,” Graber said."
Well, no. Open source tools can still be bring down and we've seen examples of that, where even "open source companies" have been bought and shut down.
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Roni Laukkarinenreplied to Roni Laukkarinen last edited by
"“We’re building an open-source social network that anyone can take into their own hands and build on, and it’s something that is radically different from anything that’s been done in social media before. Nobody’s been this open, this transparent and put this much control in the users hands.”"
Well, once again, no. ActivityPub and the Fediverse really did this in terms of the users with no companies dictating the terms. What Bluesky is doing is not "radically different" or "put this much control in the users hands". We still can't 100% host our own instances on Bluesky and 90% of the user base is on Bluesky's servers. It did not start with users, it started with the company. Huge difference.
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@lashman Haha literally laughed out loud
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@rolle @FediThing thank you, thank you
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AFAIK you'll never be able to host your own instances on BS, BS federation happens through relays rather than server-to-server.
And the relays are expensive so they're designed to be owned by corporations, but without any clear business reason to run one except to inject ads or manipulate the content.
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Dr. Daniel Dizdarevicreplied to Roni Laukkarinen last edited by
@rolle But is Bluesky really completely open source?
https://github.com/orgs/bluesky-social/repositories
Sure, the app, ATproto and some components like a feed generator are there, but that does not make bsky.app open source...
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@FediThing Yeah, I know the broad outline of the tech of Bluesky, but I'd like the idea I could also own the relay. It also bugs me that hosting things is not very cost-effective or built from the user's point of view like in the Fediverse. The biggest culprit for me is that all of this can be taken down as long as people don't host enough. There is a certain safety in numbers when it comes to self-hosting and Mastodon has that.
The article "Hosting Bluesky with Coolify" by @zicklepop is excellent in this regard.
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Dr. Daniel Dizdarevicreplied to Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic last edited by
@rolle In my experience, this is something that business people do not understand. Unless your entire code base is open sourced with a licence that allows others to fork, modify and redistribute it, you always have vendor lock-in. You always have to accept the company's terms and conditions or leave. And, as you say, it can always go down.
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Also structure of the company is suspicious, all the developers are paid in equity so they are in line for a lottery win each if the company gets bought out. That is bound to affect their work when considering whether a feature favours a buyout or not.
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Roni Laukkarinenreplied to Dr. Daniel Dizdarevic last edited by
@daniel This is exactly what I've been trying to say, that they LARP open sourcing.
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Dr. Daniel Dizdarevicreplied to Roni Laukkarinen last edited by
@rolle I don't think they have any plans to change that. It's hard to make money when anyone can set up an instance "for free". And with the numbers mentioned in the article, we can see how much money there is for investors to cache in before dumping the product...
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@rolle yeah, to some extent this concern could be alleviated by licensing but their choice also brings little comfort in this regard. They use a very permissive license which in effect means going to closed source is completely trivial for them if they were to decide to do such a thing.
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Dr. Daniel Dizdarevicreplied to Roni Laukkarinen last edited by
@rolle @FediThing @zicklepop Excellent article, thanks for pointing this out! I am reposting the link for easy access:
https://melkat.blog/p/hosting-bsky
"most Bluesky apps and integrations do not support self-hosted accounts" -> Is this because of bad docs, because it's too complex, or because app devs don't believe in the concept?
"reliance on the venture-capital-backed front-end to Amazon’s Simple Email Service, Resend" -> This really worried me, but as far as I can see it could be any SMTP service?
