Wonder what this is all about?
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Wonder what this is all about?
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Randy Elzingareplied to Randy Elzinga on last edited by
Found it in an article about the Barrie mayor using his strong mayor powers for something.
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Nick Houston π¨π¦ λreplied to Randy Elzinga on last edited by
@hewer_of_code
The game is afoot. Or should I say afooty?
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Randy Elzingareplied to Nick Houston π¨π¦ λ on last edited by
@intothewestaway I was looking around all of the #L1ON websites seeing about ticket prices and merch and stuff. I don't know how these teams make money, but it doesn't appear to be from having fans.
The fact that they're looking for a 2,500 seat stadium, and not just a field tells me they want room for fans.
If they want that much room for fans, that does make me wonder if they're looking to leap out of league 1.
We'll have to wait and see though.
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Randy Elzingareplied to Randy Elzinga on last edited by
@intothewestaway I don't know what the economics of success looks like for #CanPL, but 2,500 seems like the right starting point for new teams, although I hope for bigger numbers long term.
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Nick Houston π¨π¦ λreplied to Randy Elzinga on last edited by
@hewer_of_code
The average is now trending to double that for #CanPL. Barrie is a good draw. I imagine there are a few deep pockets in the King City to Muskoka crowd who could spare a couple of million $ a year, no questions asked. Infrastructure, not just the field, but training, sports physio, places for players to live (that's a thing) etc. The easy part is getting a brand. L1 is untapped and I don't think is ready for the consequences of the next level. Witness Peteborough Electric FC. -
Nick Houston π¨π¦ λreplied to Nick Houston π¨π¦ λ on last edited by
Halifax is tops with attendance average 6,100. Forge with 5,200.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Canadian_Premier_League_season
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Randy Elzingareplied to Nick Houston π¨π¦ λ on last edited by
@intothewestaway King is sparsely populated, but there's a lot of money there. This is where Leon of #CanWNT is from, which is the Leon of Leon's the furniture store. They've def got the money, but maybe they'd invest in a NSL team first (which would be just as good).
I read a tiny bit about Peterborough, but didn't get what actually happened there.
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Randy Elzingareplied to Nick Houston π¨π¦ λ on last edited by
@intothewestaway Even Vancouver FC has already surpassed the 2,500 mark, and that's with them playing in the Whitecaps' backyard, so things can grow pretty quickly.
York has been a laggard, but the new ownership seems to be correcting that. They've had massive yoy growth.
My thought is that a 2,500 seater would be fairly easy to get off the ground, but plan it with growth in mind, so that they can easily add capacity as needed.
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Nick Houston π¨π¦ λreplied to Randy Elzinga on last edited by
Peterborough ownership, from what I read earlier, over extended themselves. Had a (the) highest payroll. Attracted names, started with good marketing, but couldn't sustain the costs. Pro sports is not for the faint hearted.
I do know about King City/Vaughan area and Leon. Mainly from the political world. So many developers drooling at private Fordfests, I imagine.
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Chris Corriganreplied to Randy Elzinga on last edited by
@intothewestaway @hewer_of_code itβs interesting. I have friends involved with that club.
Iβm a member of the TSS Rovers Supporters Trust and I can tell you the League 1 economics are hard. Mostly sponsorship keeps our operational costs covered.
I donβt think CPL is doing well at the gate. VFC does not have 2500 at every game and they donβt count the gate.
CSB is what keeps this league going, I believe.
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Nick Houston π¨π¦ λreplied to Randy Elzinga on last edited by
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That's the important part. Also, simple things like good location for a field that people can get to is important. THF is on bus, cycle routes. Residential neighborhood with lots of sports flags up (apparently there's another "football" team in Hamilton, who knew? ) -
Nick Houston π¨π¦ λreplied to Chris Corrigan on last edited by
Thanks Chris, good perspective. We are fortunate with Caretaker Bob Young as an owner. Plus sharing facilities with the ticats keeps the costs down.
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Chris Corriganreplied to Nick Houston π¨π¦ λ on last edited by
@hewer_of_code @intothewestaway I have no idea how VFC is doing it. And having the same ownership owning PFC too must be stretching that whole ownership group. Both of those teams have a decent chance to succeed but the clubs arenβt building culture and community ownership very well.
They should have named VFC for Langley or the Valley and let the club be a proud rep of that region. Calling it VFC set them off on the back foot.
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Randy Elzingareplied to Chris Corrigan on last edited by
@chriscorrigan @intothewestaway I'd been wondering if I could believe my eyes for the VFC attendance numbers. It didn't look like there was that many people there, but I thought maybe it was because everyone was on the other side, behind the cameras. I guess they're counting giveaways, even if nobody shows up.
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Nick Houston π¨π¦ λreplied to Randy Elzinga on last edited by [email protected]
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The Vancouver crowds appear hot and cold. I thought they would draw bigger.
Will see what York is like this Friday. The players deserve better. The new coaching has improved the squad. Lots of players and of course coach.
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Chris Corriganreplied to Nick Houston π¨π¦ λ on last edited by
@intothewestaway @hewer_of_code yes. The practice in the CPL is to count tickets not the gate. And the team has done many things poorly including being located soooooo far away from its core market. Imagine a team in Oshawa calling itself Toronto Soccer Club and playing in a temporary stadium with no cover a 45 minute drive out of the city or 2 hours on public transit.
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@chriscorrigan @intothewestaway @hewer_of_code Is Vancouver doing the same thing that Pacific is with establishing academies in Mexico? Not very happy about that development.
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Nick Houston π¨π¦ λreplied to Joann on last edited by
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Don't know about that end. It's hard to start from scratch.
Forge grew out of years of Sigma training many players who have gone through that program. (Yes I am biased) but the model has paid off. Also dipping into the CSMR club in Quebec. Clubs have a max 7 foreign players on their roster. I don't think any are at that right now. 5-6 on average. Are they taking Canadian spots? Probably. Are they making the league better? Definitely.