I understand the dislike for e-mail based patch workflows.

Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

@erincandescent Reminds me of why I quite like that lists.sr.ht has a "Forward this thread to me" button.
Which also allows to nicely reply to a thread you previously weren't in, although I just wish I could use NNTP for this…

Erin 💽✨

@lanodan I have lore.kernel.org added to Thunderbird via NNTP and its great.

Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

@erincandescent Ooh neat! But well… not universal for mailing-lists to do NNTP.

And well discovery sucks:

$ curl -sSL https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fsdevel/[email protected]/T/ | grep -e nntp: -e news:
$

Erin 💽✨

@lanodan yeah public inbox should advertise this better. and its the only archiver i know of which does nntp too.

Erin 💽✨

@ireneista Definitely I have a love-hate relationship of sorts with e-mail whenever I have to do the drudge work of filtering all of the transactional emails off to the side

halcy:icosahedron:

@erincandescent pretty sure desktop email is still relatively common but just specifically outlook, for people who are fully bought into the Microsoft 365 ecosystem, and absolutely nothing else

Erin 💽✨

@halcy and that of course means only at work…

aeva

@ireneista @erincandescent I don't think I count as The Kids These Days anymore (I'm in my late 30s), but I can't say that email has been a place where cool things happen, just an endless deluge of spam and notifications that I can't keep under control. Between my work and personal email I have 8170 messages in my inboxes, most of which are unread. I've tried "inbox zero". I have tons of filters set up. I just can't keep up.

Clifton Royston

@aeva @ireneista @erincandescent

It's honestly a relief to hear that from someone else.

I have the same problem, and it's become a major stressor for me. It makes me feel bad that I'm not on top of it, but it just keeps on and keeps on pouring in.

If I get any actual wanted personal email from someone, I'm very likely to miss it because it's a drop in an ocean.

ZanaGB

@ireneista @erincandescent To help you understand better. Never seen anything cool happen on email, and trying to navigate the LKML is a living nightmare. A BBS or a forum? you get everything neatly organized. Reading a thread on a mailing list? either you're missing 90% of the context because it's a nested reply, or the first item is duplicated everywhere, or somehow it's an adjacent thread and nobody knows who is replying to. Mailing lists are a nightmare to read, consult, and make sense of.

Erin 💽✨

@CliftonR @aeva @ireneista I do not blame anyone for having a disaster inbox; keeping things under control is hard. I recently learned Fastmail lets me do [email protected], which helps shovel the transactional e-mails off to the side pre-emptively (everything gets a unique e-mail address starting with +bulk. so that if there isn’t a dedicated folder for it, it gets shoved into the Bulk folder)

But it really shouldn’t be like this. It shouldn’t be this hard to keep control of one of your primary communications channels.

Erin 💽✨

@CliftonR @aeva @ireneista Sometimes it feels like I receive more marketing e-mails disguised as service-related transactional e-mails these days than I received actual spam 10 years ago.

Sigh.

aeva

@erincandescent @ireneista @CliftonR it's amazing to me that this shit doesn't get flagged as spam. I checked just now and gmail's spam filter still exists (it caught a friend's news letter I forgot about lol). I wonder how much they pay google to put ads in my inbox.

Irenes (many)

@aeva @erincandescent @CliftonR a lot of people have given up on flagging spam

Erin 💽✨

@ireneista @aeva @CliftonR For better and for worse, its our understanding that if you properly implement and handle the List-Unsubscribe header most of the bigass e-mail providers won’t classify your email as spam too.

For better because most mail clients now have an “Unsubscribe” button on marketing emails and it actually works. For worse because they don’t get autofiled into your spam box for you

Erin 💽✨

@ireneista @CliftonR @aeva (Also so much of the marketing crap is coming from Mailchimp/Sparkpost/a handful of others these days so you can get rid of so much of it by filtering list IDs ending .mcsv.net or sparkpostmail.com)

ShadSterling

@zanagb @ireneista @erincandescent this sounds like something an email client could help with, maybe by providing a mailing list view that’s structured like a forum

ZanaGB

@ShadSterling @ireneista @erincandescent the problem lies entirely on how the threads are presented so a dedicated viewer would solve the problem

Definitely would make my use case (seeing if X or Y hardware has been added to so and so driver) a lot easier.

Erin 💽✨

@zanagb @ShadSterling @ireneista I like that the lkml interface gives me NNTP access but I dislike pretty much most of the rest of the experience.

I miss game, tbh. That was a good web UI for mailing lists.