It's always so easy to blame women, isn't it?

ಚಿರಾಗ್ 🌹✊🏾Ⓥ🌱🇵🇸 (he/him)

@wdlindsy Again, I acknowledged that there is misinformation, absolutely! But the facts I just laid out are just that, facts. And refusing to address those things builds up resentment and anger. We can't just attribute everything to misinformation when there *is* real pain and anxiety.

Progressives and leftists have been screaming about this in the media for at least a decade (namely, the 2016 election cycle) and we've been ignored. Look how that turned out.

William Lindsey :toad:

@phaedral Yes, I'd agree that a lot of us who chose to vote for Trump will be in for a rude awakening. At the same time, I'd argue that we have an obligation — to ourselves, first and foremost — to seek the truth, to seek good sources of information, to consume media and news critically (and self-critically).

William Lindsey :toad:

@chiraag Where you're obviously interested in using the election results to mount attacks on people you see as centrist Democrats — and that term is far from describing me — I'm not interested at all in tearing apart the fragile alliances that bind those of us trying to push hard against a rapacious and powerful right.

I intend to keep my focus on that threat and to use my energy against it. If you want to make other choices, I wish you good luck with them.

Danetteb 🕊️🐦‍🔥⚓️🕯️🪷

@wdlindsy so. Much. This.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Danetteb I agree — good commentary.

ಚಿರಾಗ್ 🌹✊🏾Ⓥ🌱🇵🇸 (he/him)

@wdlindsy Look, I *want* the Dems to kick the GOP's butt because the GOP is a bunch of open fascists. But the strategy they've been using (they campaigned more with Liz Cheney than with *any other surrogate*) is failing. If you're not allowed to criticize your alliance when they keep fucking up, when *are* you allowed to criticize them?

Friends don't let friends lose to fascists.

Robert Link

@wdlindsy I agree about that obligation! I think the ability to fulfill it is somewhat a matter of privilege, that is, not everyone is blessed with the intellect and experience to learn crap detection. (https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/crap-detection-101-3227013.php)

TCat likes reality

@wdlindsy
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I've got zero time for the Dem blame game. We need to understand how #CriminalGrandpa 's con works and why it's attracting so many, especially White men

Extra_Special_Carbon

@wdlindsy @AeonCypher They said, “left-leaning media can’t be trusted either.”

I agree. Left leaning media is often just a tool of right-leaning media.

That was not what you quoted. It wasn’t my statement, but I was agreeing with their statement.

Andrew

@wdlindsy

The one on the left is armoured safety glass, the one on the right is wax like they use in the movies. The point is the “glass ceiling” is not the same.

Vanessa A. Shafer

@wdlindsy I think this is going to be worse than when Reagan was in office. A foreign-born éminence grise with his fingers in many defense and technological pies...why this isn't openly raising questions is beyond me.

The Wookie

@wdlindsy

I don't think most know the potential harm of their vote for Trump. I speak to many Trump voters that have no idea how the government works & simply voted for him based on the promise of lower taxes & higher 401K returns.

The real problem isn't that power was handed to Trump, it's that government doesn't work for so many. They don't care if it blows up. hey don't want an authoritarian they want government that focuses on them or they just want their 401ks to last until they die.

🦼Exiled NYer- Connie

@wdlindsy
Today is a CRAP day, William but I *will* make it through your thread. Those articles I haven’t read, I will.

Thank you for everything.

How are you?

My BFF of 50 years is gay and so, so angry.
He says he’ll remain untouched but is enraged by what will happen to others.

You don’t have to respond. I just wanted to let you know I’m thinking of you.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Pagan_Activist Thank you so much for reading and asking about us. My husband and I are depressed, to say the least. We know full well that when the boom begins falling, it will fall on people like us, along with other targeted minority communities. I very much appreciate your concern and hope you're doing at least tolerably well, as elders in my culture used to say when asked how they were: "I'm doing tol'able."

William Lindsey :toad:

@NJWookie You're assessment of Trump voters is more generous than mine. I definitely think many of them are low-information voters and they may not fully comprehend how their votes will result in harm to others — and themselves. At the same time, it's clear to me that authoritarian movements rise by pitting group against group and that many Trump voters are moved by the desire to hurt others.

William Lindsey :toad:

@vashafer I agree. I expect the same.

William Lindsey :toad:

@serendip1959 Well-noted. And yet, surely the point is that they're both glass ceilings, even if one is wax — and that women deal with very different glass ceilings than men do, even when the men are criminals and rapists. The vast majority of crimes of rape by men still go unpunished.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Extra_Special_Carbon @AeonCypher Because it's clear to me that the right poses the real threat confronting all of us, I fail to comprehend how the problem is somehow the left or how left-leaning media are often just a tool of right-leaning media.

I don't see things this way.

William Lindsey :toad:

@TCatInReality Absolutely. 100%.

William Lindsey :toad:

@chiraag I'm not aware I've ever said that the Democratic party should be beyond criticism. I've long leveled criticism against it. What I'm saying is that given the threat we all now face from looming fascism, this tearing-at-each-the criticism is beyond foolish and is wasted energy.