Now that #Brazil has banned Xitter, where are Brazilian people going?
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Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋replied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
#Mastodon has been losing users for a long time
Many of us warned that the app was too complicated, the culture too toxic, the economic model not strong enough to sustain a fast-paced development
In just a few months, #Bluesky shipped DMs, major moderation features, third-party moderation, and will soon ship video
The last major Mastodon update was 11 *months* ago. An eternity.
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Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋replied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
It pains me to see #Mastodon in such a dire state
Meta is building and growing #Threads quickly, and Mastodon can only acts as a powerful counterweight if the platform itself is in good shape
Today, it is not
It’s not catastrophic, but the writing is on the wall
And what’s virtually certain is that Mastodon has definitely missed the unique window that Elon Musk opened when he bought Twitter
Such a window won’t reopen soon, and possibly will never happen again
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Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋replied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
All of this should be a wake up call for #Mastodon as a community
I’m not super optimistic to be honest, which is why I’ve basically deserted the platform and I’m spending my time on #Bluesky these days
The silver lining of today’s events in Brazil is that even if Mastodon is left out of the equation, another open platform is benefiting from this mess
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Michael Santalyreplied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
@o_simardcasanova I agree with everything you’re saying. But I don’t think Mastadon can compete with the resources of Meta or the VC backing of Bluesky. I think Mastodon is 3 engineers? It is what it is
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R Scott Jonesreplied to Michael Santaly last edited by
@wonkothesane @o_simardcasanova Do a lot of fedi people WANT it to compete head to head? Because a whole bunch of us don’t want that future.
If my mastodon feed ever starts resembling the feed on Threads or Bluesky, then I’m moving on anyway.
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Sharon of the Strange Timesreplied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
@o_simardcasanova I'm on both and I far prefer the content on Mastodon. Bluesky is Xitter 3.0 and it's mostly cringey.
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Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋replied to R Scott Jones last edited by
@rscottjones @wonkothesane Probably not, but if Mastodon can’t compete, it won’t have the chance to live up to its ambition to offer a different way to do social media
Offering this allegedly superior experience to only a very small fraction of the user base being the literal definition of elitism
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Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋replied to Sharon of the Strange Times last edited by
@idoubtit Use the platform that you prefer. I’m literally not arguing that people should use Threads or Bluesky instead of Mastodon.
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Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋replied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
@idoubtit Personally, similarly to many other people, my experience on Mastodon has been particularly awful
I don’t like Threads, but I find a lot of joy on Bluesky
Everybody is different, once again, use the platform that works best for you
I’m not interested in building yet another monoculture, quite the contrary actually
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R Scott Jonesreplied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
@o_simardcasanova @wonkothesane It can’t be a different way of doing social media if it does the same thing the others do.
It’s not elitist, literally *anyone* can participate and even run their own server.
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Sharon of the Strange Timesreplied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
@o_simardcasanova Why would you chose an option that is destined to be monetized and subject to corporate whims? If you have a bad experience here, you switch servers or stop following those people. It's pretty simple math, really.
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Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋replied to R Scott Jones last edited by
@rscottjones @wonkothesane I’m sorry but this is wishful thinking
As a start, the overwhelming majority of people don’t want and/or don’t know how to run their instance
And even if they wanted to, properly running an instance is actually very complicated. Trust me, I tried.
It’s not, never was, and will never be, a realistic answer
Once again, I’m sorry but yes, this is textbook elitism to suggest a solution the overwhelming majority of people can’t really use
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Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋replied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
I’m muting this
Not that I’m surprised, but too many of the conversations this thread generated were very unpleasant, in a typical Mastodon way
If the feature existed, I would also close replies
But Mastodon doesn’t have enough resources to implement it, which is a massive trust and safety issue in my opinion
Not Mastodon’s team fault, but the end result is the same
I’m going back to Bluesky
Peace ️
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R Scott Jonesreplied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
@o_simardcasanova @wonkothesane Oh please. It’s as easy as Bluesky to sign up.
And I’m not techie at all and run two instances via masto.host and it takes fewer clicks than an Amazon order. But that doesn’t matter, because it’s not a requirement. But it wouldn’t take much to run your own friends-first instance.
But again, your definition of “success” might be much, *much* different than what many existing users here want. That’s not elitism, it’s just a different way of being.
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Grant 🇺🇦ArmUkraine🇺🇦replied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
@o_simardcasanova If people want to go to billionaire oligarch owned places like threads/bluesky, fine.
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Word of Mouth 🍄 :emacs:replied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
@[email protected] @[email protected] Soooo... you're just here to bitch about "Mastodon" in comparison to the more profitable (for somebody, probably not you) "Bluesky".
K.
Do you read your posts before posting them?
Or maybe you just think everyone on the Internet is a fucking moron?
This is the most transparent brand-stanning bullshit I've seen lately on the fediverse.
Maybe the problem is getting hung up on the idea of "Mastodon"? One Twitter-like throwback software that reminds you of what used-to-be?
Admit it. Twitter is dead and oh well.
Long live independent, free, open-source social media!
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kcarruthersreplied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
@o_simardcasanova yup and the sad thing is that bsky is centralised and thus subject to similar centralisation risks as twitter was. It’s a pity mastodon has not been as welcoming
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Lorenzo 'kelset' Sciandrareplied to kcarruthers last edited by
@kcarruthers @o_simardcasanova I share the same concern - to me right now the saving grace for using Mastodon is relying on @elk as web client.
I'm surprised about Bluesky tho; I've been on it since the very beginning but I find it somewhat dead, and only the same like 10 people are tweeting like crazy over there. Threads is having much more variety and I see a lot of non-tech-people migrating to that.
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kurtshreplied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
@o_simardcasanova @rscottjones @wonkothesane I've found that there is a fundamental disagreement about the critical importance of adoption & usage.
Despite usage & adoption being the universal metric for social network value, Fediverse flagwavers in a fit of wishful thinking, love to say that "active usage isn't important" & "quality of experience is what matters".
This armchair analysis isn't simply not useful - it's patently wrong. Ask any social network researcher. Usage + Adoption = Value.