If you've ever found yourself missing the "good old days" of the #web, what is it that you miss?
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@molly0xfff My good old daze of the Internet were pre-web, which is why I said before 1995 (when it seemed to me everyone discovered WWW and the signal:noise ratio dropped).
It was hard work then, but I always went back for more.
I had to order a 9-pin plug and solder my first modem cable, and that meant a friend dictating pin numbers on a rotary dial phone--like a savage
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@molly0xfff pages that were functional without JavaScript enabled.
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@molly0xfff I miss the technical barrier to entry that usually kept the internet nerdy without being hateful. The worst thing you got were flame wars about Star Wars vs Star Trek and there were no memes clogging up the discourse.
Communities were small islands instead of vast oceans of social media. There was no "reach" so trolls upset a handful of people before being kicked, instead of infecting the entire internet. People made actual friends on those forums too.
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Jenniferplusplusreplied to Mx. Aria Stewart on last edited by
@aredridel @molly0xfff one of those few surviving artifacts from when the internet was weird and human, made by and for people
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Chance N. Counterreplied to Molly White on last edited by
@molly0xfff When the internet was mainly accessible to âcomputer people,â and a baffled public kept their distance, the tone of online discourse was generally less ignorant. Flame wars were as nasty as ever, but public spaces only devolved from cafeteria arguments to barroom brawls when everybody and their dog took to the web. Barriers to entry helped as much as they hurt by gatekeeping; access to anonymous, unfiltered communication doesnât seem to have done humanity many favors.
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@molly0xfff I miss chat systems with status messages. E.g. it's 2am and I'm up and bored and chatty. I set my status message and see who else is up. And I miss mutli-system chat clients before all the walled gardens locked down.
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@molly0xfff What I miss is that it wasnât all consuming, creeping into every aspect of life. Browsing was something you sat down at a computer to do for maybe an hour or two, and not every day. (Except for gaming of course.)
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Aaron Jackson đ±replied to Molly White on last edited by
random websites of people you'd stumble across while looking for information.
the time and energy they put into documenting a specific niche that interests them, on their own website.
"hand crafted" html, however ugly
the lack of adverts and focus on content quality, over style.
less css - letting the browser choose the fonts based on your preferences
web rings and hand craft lists of "my favourite sites" and "my friends" websites.
-- the early-mid 2000s
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Steve has âïž for brainsreplied to Molly White on last edited by
@molly0xfff search based on indexing websites
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@Eka_FOOF_A @molly0xfff slightly before our time, but yes! for sure!
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@molly0xfff Because it's still fresh, I'd say I miss that microscopic sweet spot between window.open()-based popups, and the new world order of floating forced-videos and passive-aggressive GDPR-compliance-farce modals.
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@molly0xfff there's old sites I used to go to for my dopamine fix, but also old social sites.
think like old flash games,
or some old forums. But I can't remember for the life of me what the place I spent most of my time was - the thing that made me revisit it so often.
Sure I edited wikipedia or watched youtube or used twitter and reddit... but there was another front page I used to have. and another place with all my buddies that's not there anymore.
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@molly0xfff I miss the things that are impossible at scale and will never happen again: lively online spaces with minimal context collapse & at-scale malice. Online lowers the costs & friction, so once everyone's online, it's so cheap to be a bad actor at scale. Not just spam and nation-state stuff, either.
It's great that access is nigh-ubiquitous; the old ways were exclusive & that sucked. But the only online space I still love (DW) is basically tumbleweeds & that's why it hasn't broken.
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Jason Woodwardreplied to Molly White on last edited by [email protected]
@molly0xfff I miss the (less) SEO / (minimal) clickbait era
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@molly0xfff I miss the feeling of interaction and interconnection:
- Every site/blog had RSS and you could follow them easily.
- Many sites had comment sections that were not garbage fires.
- (Non-Reddit) forums for just about any hobby/interestâyouâd stumble upon great little communities like secret gardens (there are still a couple in existence)
- AIMâdifferent than texting. Availability, away messages, handles, interoperability to ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, etc.I can talk at length about this.
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@molly0xfff Chatting about pro-wrestling, sci-fi, X-files, and Magic the gathering on Usenet and early webforums.
Scrolling through Usenet listings to see if any new groups had opened up.
Mostly it felt _knowable_ even if I hadn't visited certain websites, I could find them, and they'd be accessible. There was a logic to it, even the undiscovered parts.
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Sarah Jamie Lewisreplied to Molly White on last edited by
Mostly I miss:
- the large number of semi-public topic-focused spaces (e.g. irc channels, forums)
- the large number of content-deep websites run by individuals / small groups - and the search engines that indexed them and made them discoverable
(approx: late 90s early 00s, falling off in 06-07)
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@molly0xfff @lisamelton independent publishing. About a billion fewer people. Protocols over walled gardens. Discovery. Experimentation by everyone. Diversity of âlanesâ (ie, not everything was the web). Not being exploited a billion times over simply by visiting a website.
Things I donât miss: an entire office sharing a T1 line.
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I guess I could do it still, but going to geocities to find final fantasy art on a dedicated fan page was nice.
It seemed more hand-made, more for us.
Or finding a website that someone hosted on their own, not affiliated with any platform, and then sharing that with friends. Seemed like whoever made the website had their piece of internet real estate and owned it.
On that note, I think he still exists, but wasnât there a guy who did flash art, and it was great?
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@irenes @molly0xfff yes, I miss USENET orders of magnitude more than I miss any era of World Wide Web. Does anyone else besides me remember Lynx, the browser for hypertext without images (or really any formatting)?
