Wow!

hairylarry

No, I'm fine. I didn't forget my password. I just forgot about Bandwagon while I was playing festivals. So I'm glad I saw your post.

Bebop Beatniks did record a new live album and then, later, I dug a forgotten NJHB show out of the pre-pandemic vault and I almost have it ready too.

I'm still on bandcamp but it's not federated. I used to run a funkwhale instance but my server blew up at a time when I didn't have time to figure it out.

Bandwagon looks pretty good to me, right now.

hairylarry

@benpate

I went to your Bandwagon page and I'm enjoying How To Stop Time. Kind of a Gospel feel merging into hiphop. Have you thought of getting someone to rhyme on top of this?

How To Stop Time https://bandwagon.fm/66e386e34c86ea48ed036b2d

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

@hairylarry So glad to hear all of that!

I think Bandcamp is going to be the big player for a while. Heck, maybe we can even pressure them into federating over AcivityPub, too

I strongly believe if you just make a better product, people will find you (eventually) so that's what we're gonna do. Give all of them a run for their money, and make the whole "industry" better in the process

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

@hairylarry You'll want to send this to @stefan

Stefan Bohacek

@benpate @hairylarry Already did! https://gamerplus.org/@hairylarry/113340821266291031

Nice to see my work getting discovered on Bandwagon!

Clifton Molina

@benpate sounds awesome. I have questions. I'm not a creator. But an avid listener and sharer of free-trade taper audio of live music, stuff on archive.org. Affiliated with @phishnet . Can I self host?

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

@clifmo @phishnet

Yes! You can self-host Bandwagon.

With that said, things are still changing very quickly, so I'm encouraging Bands to start with my server, then migrate away once the rate of change slows.

If you're a dev/admin/enthusiast, you can definitely tinker with it. Your insights are super-helpful with that aforementioned "rate of change"

I've tried to answer this in more detail here: https://bandwagon.fm/self-hosting. PLEEEAAASE let me know if I can help you with specifics

Clifton Molina

@benpate @phishnet I mean the clause for unoriginal recordings, band authorized, free trade taper recordings. Thanks!

Dan

@benpate I'm excited for the prospect of how this could work with the Fediverse. Maybe I subscribe to artists as a Mastodon user to see when they drop new albums? Comment on tracks? Install a music app that lets me listen to "radio" of random tracks from my followed artists.

Long term ideas of course, and maybe not in line with what you have in mind (particularly if artists will be trying to make money), but I look forward to seeing where this goes!

Dan

@benpate I'd also be curious how it interops with Funkwhale or Peertube.

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

@clifmo @phishnet

I'm guessing this wasn't directed at me, but I'm still interested to learn more.

In particular, I'm not *nearly* as educated about music licensing as I should be, to be working on Bandwagon.

Is it possible to point me to "that clause" for me to read, or is it a private document?

Clifton Molina

@benpate it's in the TOS. Terms of Service
Post Your Own Work - Do not post content that you do not own the copyright to. Posting others’ work will result in an instant ban

Get on the Bandwagon

(bandwagon.fm)

It's not copyrighted so it's probably cool

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

@ill_logic Thanks. And, I think your long term vision is spot on.

Today, you can Follow and Share artist's profiles. You can Share and Like albums and individual tracks. I haven't done comments, yet, but it's certainly doable if we work through the social implications.

I'm also working on better discovery: talking to some Internet Radio Stations to learn what they'd need to publish a musicians library to them (with permission, of course)

Dan

@benpate I guess I'd need a bandwagon account to do more than follow for now? I went to a musician's account from my Mastodon profile and I didn't see any of their library.

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

@ill_logic I've been focusing on the biggest platforms, first.

e.g. I think I've just finished up supporting Mastodon's "Secure Mode" which is a big stumbling block for many Federated projects.

Bandwagon *should* work with something like PeerTube right now (though that'll need testing)

Funkwhale is a whole different animal (literally) because it veered pretty heavily off of the ActivityPub standard. I *think* we can interop with this app, too, but after we validate larger apps.

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

@ill_logic One more thought: We may be able to *read* from Funkwhale sooner than we can *write* to it.

My goal for the discovery/search project is to see if we can index Funkwhale sites (among others) as a first step to unifying all the music on the Fediverse.

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

@clifmo Gotcha, yes. The TOS is very "non-legalese" at the moment, but I want to make sure we're respecting musicians rights and copyrights out of the gate.

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

@ill_logic Yeah, Mastodon doesn't give us a lot of room to display custom profile stuff.

However, new posts (like album releases, events, and news items) do show up in followers' Mastodon feeds.

If you've got suggestions on how to get Mastodon to show album info (and other "permanent library" -type information) I'm eager to figure this out.

Ben Pate 🤘🏻

@clifmo @phishnet

To answer this better, if you have the copyright holder's permission to post their work, then that should be enough.

Certainly, it's ok for a band's agent to post their stuff on their behalf.

I'll update the TOS to better reflect this.

Dan

@benpate Yeah this got me thinking, I wonder if there's a "library browse" mode for ActivityPub. I haven't looked at the spec for a while. Most things seem inherently temporally oriented. A library orientation of the data could work well for a photo album site. Archive.org could plug in this way even. Lots of options open up.

But yeah new music alerts is what I mean. I guess you didn't backfill all of the existing albums, I don't see them. But I'll follow a couple artists and see what comes!