I’m now a few days into using an electric cargo bike (a Tern GSD) as my primary form of transportation. It’s…awesome.

Vesna Manojlovic

Paul Cantrell

#BikeDiary Why the mellowness vs my regular bike? Part of it is the electric motor. Part is the low speed: I settle in very comfortably at 16-18mph, but getting it over 20mph is damned hard without a hill.

A third surprising ingredient: the riding posture. It’s built to ride upright. I find myself instinctively sitting up tall instead of slouching (unusual for me!) or hunching over. Really different feel.

(Again, please mute the hashtag #BikeDiary if you don’t want to read all this!)

Paul Cantrell

@becha
You are not the first to ask! They may come eventually.

Paul Cantrell

#BikeDiary The upright posture means I'm still •really• unsure about the handling: I corner overcautiously, go on and off sidewalks clumsily, etc. I just don’t have any instincts yet about where the limits are. At first I could barely start without wild wobbling. Carrying over experiences from my old bike, I keep feeling like I’m about to fall over, even though the small wheels and low center of gravity mean I’m nowhere •near• about to fall over. Lots of relearning happening.

Michał Jurewicz

@inthehands Cargo e-bikes are great! I use Ili Cycles 3-wheeler and it’s much more fun than a car for short shopping trips.

Paul Cantrell

#BikeDiary This is a good question from @charliepark. I got the S00.

Once I'd settled on the GSD, choosing this particular model was easy: (1) I live in MN, and want to ride as close to 12 months a year as I can manage. (2) My budget is “this is instead of a car.”

Put those two together, and it says “belt drive.” (The belt drive holds up much better in rain and snow, apparently.)

Charlie Park (@[email protected])

@[email protected] I don't want to hijack your thread (which is great), but I'm a bit stymied — with the goal of being able to carry an adult passenger — by the number of GSD models, with the guides at https://www.ternbicycles.com/us/explore/pets-and-passengers/tern-passenger-guide not really helping. (They're oriented to "how to get *your* bike passenger-ready", not "how to pick the best model to carry a passenger".) How did you pick a model?

XOXO Zone (xoxo.zone)

Paul Cantrell

#BikeDiary That narrowed it down to the S00 and the R14, and as one person at the bike shop (Perennial Cycles ) put it about the R14’s extra fancy features, “If you’re not asking for it, you don’t need it!”

The Terns are super duper modular, which means that there are a •lot• of decisions to make (and also means that you will spend a •lot• more than the bare base price, be warned). I like the choices, but…be prepared.

May publish full build if there’s interest.
@charliepark

Paul Cantrell

#BikeDiary Probably the bigger question for many is how I came to the Tern GSD in the first place. The answer is the obvious one: I asked around, got opinions from trusted people, thought hard about my needs, did a •lot• of homework, and then — this was crucial — I test rode half a dozen bikes.

I cannot recommend the test ride enough. No amount of photos, videos, specs, and explanation can substitute for experience.

After the test ride, the real contenders were the GSD and the Urban Arrow.

Paul Cantrell

#BikeDiary There are so many good choices now! There’s a lot to be said for the simplicity of the Urban Arrow: it’s basically a giant bucket, a simple design concept that’s super versatile. I could really see enjoying a Yuba Spicy Curry if I were looking for something a little less heavy duty (and less pricey). Folks love their Xtracycles (though somehow it didn't click for me in the test ride).

What did I love about the Tern? Absurdly configurable and modular, compact, over-engineered.

Aaron

@inthehands one factor I’m thinking about for future bikes is the ability to move from a complete stop.

E-bikes are a big improvement over standard bikes (esp with throttle) but I still find it’s a little slow to get going, especially if I wasn’t downshifting several gears before stopping.

I’ve heard CVTs can be a great solution for that; was this a concern for you? And what were your experiences?

Paul Cantrell

#BikeDiary The Tern’s design is just chock full of Good Choices. Over and over I’d notice a potential problem and then notice, “Oh, they thought of that!” Examples: the way the lockstand works, the way the cargo bags latch and fold, how the shape of the seat fits the riding posture, the way it remembers that I want to always ride with the lights on, the brake light. It has a brake light! Frigging brilliant.

The beautiful nerds who designed this bike are my kind of people.

Paul Cantrell

#BikeDiary By far the most difficult and frustrating part of it has been storing the bike. I keep my bikes on our porch, which is up a short staircase. I'm used to just hopping up the stairs with my light little Redline. Getting •this• bike up the stairs is an ordeal. I'm a mess at it. Searching for new strategies. Considering a ramp.

The bike’s vertical storage is ingenious, but maneuvering it in & out of a tight porch, I feel like I'm parallel parking a semi truck.

Paul Cantrell

#BikeDiary Answering @harpaa01’s question:

At first I •hated• the Enviolo CVT (continuous variable shifting). My instincts were all wrong. I rubbed a spot on my thumb raw trying to move it the ways it didn’t want to be moved.

TL;DR: You still have to stop pedaling to shift in anything but •tiny• increments. You therefore still end up shifting in discrete steps, not continuously adjust as you accelerate (as I’d wrongly imagined). BUT…

Aaron (@[email protected])

@[email protected] one factor I’m thinking about for future bikes is the ability to move from a complete stop. E-bikes are a big improvement over standard bikes (esp with throttle) but I still find it’s a little slow to get going, especially if I wasn’t downshifting several gears before stopping. I’ve heard CVTs can be a great solution for that; was this a concern for you? And what were your experiences?

Mastodon (mastodon.social)

kimu

@inthehands welcome to the ebike world! You may also want to check out the tags #BikeTooter & #BikeNite. I ride a Tern NBD & my spouse rides a Tern Quick Haul, and they’ve helped us move from being a 1-car family to a mostly-not-driving family. The Tern upright posture takes a while used to, but once you used to it, it’s so comfortable!

Marcos Dione

@harpaa01 @inthehands we have a plain Yuba Kombi to which we slapped an electric kit. The 0 to moving is snappy[1], the biggest challenge it to get used to the kids changing your balance in those critical moments.

[1] maybe too much. From my non motorized bike experience, I keep a foot on the raised pedal when stopped, and the system feels the weight as force and tries to start moving. Maybe I should talk to the BRM who installed it.

Paul Cantrell

@harpaa01 #BikeDiary …I don't know if it loosened up with usage or I just got better habits or what, but I like it just fine now. It works. It’s not futuristic and amazing, but it works well. And one •huge• advantage: you can shift back down to the lowest gear when at a complete stop, no problem. That means starting from a dead stop is perfectly fine, even if you didn't have a chance to prep for it while decelerating.

CVT remains one of the few things that's not aaaawwesome.

Paul Cantrell

@mdione @harpaa01
I find myself adjusting the assist controls a fair bit as I ride. Pedestrians, narrow place? Assist 0/4 or 1/4. Needing to move through an area quickly, maybe get out of traffic, running late? 4/4 (“turbo”). Wanting to start quickly but not too quickly? 1/4 or 2/4 (“tour”) etc.

Maybe just because I’m used to a manual car transmission, this constant adjusting feels natural and even helpful.

Paul Cantrell

@kimu
Thanks for the hashtag tips! The upright posture just clicked for me right away. Still getting used to the limits of turning, but as far as comfort, it instantly felt right!

dimsumthinking

@inthehands all of that. My only complaint is that the striker for the bell was mounted on a flimsy spring and is long gone

Rachael Ludwick

@inthehands We have a bunch of cargo bikes -- my retires mom has a big front box trike, partner has a pakster (front box) and we had to just give up and got a shed just for bikes (we don't have a garage.) The storage issues with ebikes are real and since they are often pricy bikes few are going to want to lock up outdoors (even if there is a place to). A lot of apartment buildings have car parking but not bike, etc. It is a real challenge. Thank you for sharing yours.