This is the thing.
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@kissane the fact that people from these venture-funded startups complain like a soccer player faking an injury any time someone replies to them on governance is a good sign that the criticism is very effective.
I don't intend to give up that effective tool unilaterally.
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@blaine @kissane @polotek it's not about the technology. That's a smokescreen.
Folks from these startups are trying to frame their efforts at enclosing the commons as a technology difference. So and so proprietary protocol is soooo much better than the open standard.
But it's not about the tech; it's about governance. VCs are betting their investment companies can sweep the board and own the entire ecosystem. That's how venture capital works.
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@kissane Threads added 75 million new monthly active users since July 2024. The bulk of the people are actually on *this* network that we're using right now.
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@kissane startups have good marketing -- especially when they're trying to raise money. "Everyone is coming to our network" is marketing.
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@gytisrepecka @kissane I think small instances should exercise the control they have through open protocols to make that decision for themselves.
I strongly support the Fedipact, even though our coop isn't part of it. I'm so glad Fediverse instances can exercise that control.
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@evan So technically, there is a question mark in your reply but given that the rest is declarative, it’s not my sense that you’re actually asking for my assessment of your specific communication choices.
Do let me know if I’m wrong, but I’m not going to offer that kind of advice without an invitation—to you or to anyone else. (I can’t prevent anyone from reading general statements as being about them as individuals, but that’s not what I’m doing.)
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Erin Kissanereplied to Dubi is here :Dambo8: last edited by [email protected]
@Dubikan I don't see a contradiction, but maybe I'm not being clear enough. The fediverse's architectural benefits alone are never going to be enough to get most people to switch to it. Most non-tech people are never going to care!
So fedi either builds itself to be easier and more pleasant to use to make itself more attractive to those people, or it loses most of them to easier and more pleasant networks. Which means fewer sociable people will find their friends here, which is a bad cycle.
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@evan So let's be real: When someone says "everyone," they mean "my friends and names I know in my communities." That's happened with *my* friends and the names I know in my science and literature communities—some are here, most are now on Bluesky. (Many left Twitter, tried Mastodon, found it deeply unpleasant, and moved to Bluesky.)
There are obviously multiple forces in play, but I think people do know where their friends are.
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@BashStKid Universities are a very logical choice but the reality of universities rn is very antithetical to this kind of service thinking, at least in the US.
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@chefraven @kissane @evan https://infosec.exchange/@jerry/112887084476486558
This happened to a few folks I know
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Culture clash (in the form of unusually high levels of tedious, humorless, explainery replies); heavy emphasis on enforcing local norms across the fediverse; bad and confusing UI; missing replies; exposure to full-on 8chan-level racism because of inadequate server governance and tooling; exposure to garden-variety (and again, tedious) racism from people; servers imploding or defederating; couldn't find their communities here (self-reinforcing); lack of discovery and search.
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Halfass and unscientific notes on what I heard from strangers here: https://erinkissane.com/mastodon-is-easy-and-fun-except-when-it-isnt
My own notes about the affordance problems and why they have such huge culture-shaping effects: https://erinkissane.com/the-affordance-loop
