Bluesky's solution to the dreaded "quote post" feature - allow user control over whether posts can be used in quote posts or not.
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Actually doubt it. Would guess that most people would welcome having their post's being quoteposted, so long as they could monitor the situation and "detach" them from abusive posts.
Another topic of discussion would certainly be what is the default? Are your post's automatically quotable unless you turn it off, or do you need to turn it on?
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Trying very hard not to have double standards. Think that we can learn a lot from Bluesky's experience with quoteposts and starter packs. Two capabilities that hold the promise to make Mastodon better if implemented with appropriate user safety and consent considerations.
This is an entirely separate conversation from the ownership of Bluesky and their as yet unrealized 'distributed' architecture, and the potential for user capture and marginalization.
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@mastodonmigration @project1enigma
Also, we should not look at benefits vs potential for abuse just from our own personal preferences but also judge how others might perceive them. E.g., how do the large number of scientists, researchers and academics (who we would love to see migrate to Mastodon) perceive the benefits vs dangers of these features. -
Robert Kingettreplied to okanogen TheEnemyFromWithin last edited by
BSky has an option to prevent people from quoting posts, right? So they've added features straight from our concerns and discussions. @Okanogen @AkaSci @mastodonmigration
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Still, screenshots still exist. Which can be used for good or bad.
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Great point. For instance, different groups have very different sensitivities to potential vectors for abuse.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to SpaceLifeForm last edited by
Exactly. And you can link the original page of a post. So these workarounds to quoteposting are now done and have the potential for being abused, but are problems masked by it being these methods being kludgy and therefore rarely done, or are some of the concerns misplaced?
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Georgiana Brummellreplied to Robert Kingett last edited by@WeirdWriter @mastodonmigration @Okanogen @AkaSci Why would anyone have an option to prevent quoting posts? Sometimes, it's necessary to explain the meaning of something or to put it into context. Besides, you could just copy and paste the relevant post, or part of the post, into your own.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Georgiana Brummell last edited by
@dandylover1 @Okanogen @AkaSci @WeirdWriter
The argument goes that it is a potential way to abuse someone. Let's say that someone posts something that someone else wants to ridicule. They can quotepost the post along with some abusive comments and @ mention a dozen of their friends who can do likewise, thereby heaping abuse on the poster. This happened on Twitter.
So a lot of the discussion centers around how to do QP's without them becoming such a means of abusing others.
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okanogen TheEnemyFromWithinreplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration @dandylover1 @AkaSci @WeirdWriter
Yes. Someone posts something vaguely, but not obviously, racist, sexist, bigoted? Why should they be called out? Or maybe made an example? Or context added?
Someone else posts something laudatory, an excellent example, needs additional content.
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While we are talking about quoteposts, and potential issues, perhaps we should mention one that is particular to Mastodon, because of the ability to edit posts which Bluesky doesn't have.
If someone quoteposts your post and you subsequently edit it to be something completely different, then the quoteposter is left with a quoted post that may not make sense.
This may not be a real issue in practice, but it is certainly a technical thing.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to okanogen TheEnemyFromWithin last edited by
@Okanogen @dandylover1 @AkaSci @WeirdWriter
Those are examples of potential good use of quoteposts. We can also hypothesize situations when someone posts something really nice and a dozen racist jerks tear them to shreds. The trick is enabling the former while providing a mechanism to deal with the latter.
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okanogen TheEnemyFromWithinreplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration @dandylover1 @AkaSci @WeirdWriter
Yeah, it happened to me, and i blocked all of them and nobody could see what they referenced.
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Georgiana Brummellreplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by@mastodonmigration @Okanogen @WeirdWriter @AkaSci Are we not all adults here? If someone posts something negative, can we not simply write back to him, or just ignore and block him?
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to okanogen TheEnemyFromWithin last edited by
@Okanogen @dandylover1 @AkaSci @WeirdWriter
The point is not that QPs are bad. There is lots of justification for having them, and we will have them. The point is that (and Bluesky is discovering this too) like any good feature, it needs to be implemented with regard to how it can be abused and mechanism made available to stem the abusive modalities to the extent reasonable and possible.
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Robert Kingettreplied to Georgiana Brummell last edited by
@dandylover1 @mastodonmigration @Okanogen @AkaSci So, I don’t know why this thread is acting like quotes will never happen because it’s already on the rogue map so it will happen. There’s a larger issue than quoting that will get you what you want. The issue you really want to advocate for is to have all posts federated so that when I quote a person like this, it will show up on your instance https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/113552152775988151
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Georgiana Brummell last edited by
@dandylover1 @Okanogen @AkaSci @WeirdWriter
Not going to address if we are all adults here.
But you mention blocking. That is a means that people have for protecting themselves from abuse. What is being discussed is providing means of users protecting themselves from things this new feature might make possible.
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Georgiana Brummellreplied to Robert Kingett last edited by@WeirdWriter @Okanogen @mastodonmigration @AkaSci I just want to be able to view things in conversations instead of out of context! It drives me mad!
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Robert Kingett last edited by [email protected]
@WeirdWriter @dandylover1 @Okanogen @AkaSci
And now we bring the elephant into the room...
Edit: So much frustration here concerning user friendliness actually derives from the local vs original page necessitated by the Fediverse architecture. If quoteposts can address this then it will be a big improvement to Mastodon.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Georgiana Brummell last edited by
@dandylover1 @Okanogen @AkaSci @WeirdWriter
What Robert is saying is that when he references a post he has to provide a link to the "original page" and then to get back to the "local page" you have to...
...and if you are lost already you are not alone. You are absolutely correct that this breaks context and makes Mastodon infuriating for most users.
