Somehow the Maquis resistance fighters were the bad guys and the Bajoran resistance fighters were the good guys but both were fighting the Cardassians. #tng
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Somehow the Maquis resistance fighters were the bad guys and the Bajoran resistance fighters were the good guys but both were fighting the Cardassians. #tng
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@bigzaphod Because the Maquis were also fighting the Federation.
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@octothorpe I suppose so, but the Federation made a stupid ass treaty, tbh.
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@bigzaphod Also yes.
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@bigzaphod I think the Maquis was the first durable notion that The Federation wasn't a perfect utopian ideal. Later we get stuff like Section 31, but this was the first whiff.
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Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 🎃replied to CM Harrington last edited by
@octothorpe @bigzaphod Also there's a *lot* of really shitty shake-n-bake colonies, where people farm or mine and die to alien monsters. TOS had some shady penal/psych ward hellholes like "Dagger of the Mind", too. Kirk came from a half-genocided planet.
I don't like the centralized, Starfleet-run Federation government. Do "citizens" even get to vote, or is it just a military dictatorship? Why is Earth allowed to control life & economy on some planet 1000s of LY away?
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CM Harringtonreplied to Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 🎃 last edited by
@mdhughes @bigzaphod I mean, that's the basis for The Expanse
I know they kiiinda handwave this in cannon, but how in the hell do earthers get, like, ANY say across a federation of civilisations that have had warp for hundreds/thousands of years prior? And if they were able to get warp so long ago, that also leads the notion that they probably figured out how to work collectively with themselves and other off-world beings…
But in that reality, we wouldn't have a show.
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Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 🎃replied to CM Harrington last edited by
@octothorpe @bigzaphod The Doylist answer is just that Roddenberry was making "Wagon Train in Space", so hostile natives, half-assed colonies, and gunboat diplomacy are the genre, even if that's holy shit not so cool now. He was half-woke on gender & race, at least.
Expanse is very Cold War, which was a little weird in 2010s.
Star Trek fears genetic engineering and AI, so Banks' Culture isn't possible. And even that has some assimilation resistance is futile overtones.
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Khleedrilreplied to Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 🎃 last edited by
@mdhughes @octothorpe @bigzaphod There's no doubt that TOS was very naive in many ways, and everything that followed got stuck in the tramlines that it laid down.