Bloomberg offers a valuable, well-documented discussion of the key role that a number of YouTube "influencers" played in pushing young males towards Donald Trump in the last election:
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GhostOnTheHalfShellreplied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
I love that guy. he’s one of the most brightening souls commenting on our common predicament.
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Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy @mastodonmigration @paco they even seem to discourage normal "masculine" stuff (such as working on cars/trucks, DIY etc), I do watch a lot of these videos on YouTube and the American ones tend to made by be "good old boys" our sort of ages rather than younger lads (and when they are younger lads they are non white, usually Latinos and Asians)
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK last edited by [email protected]
It is indeed really instructive to watch a few minutes of one of these podcasts or videos. Generally they are four or five guys talking fast in a sort of impenetrable jargon about how to become fabulously wealthy and fit and have lots of sex with beautiful stupid woman who they despise if only you will buy their bodybuilding supplements, invest in some scheme, or take their class on how to pick up women etc.
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The Sleight Doctor 🃏replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy @mastodonmigration Indeed. Not a zero-sum game - or to loosely paraphrase a popular meme, human rights aren't like pie: you don't have less because someone else has more. The neccessary universality of human rights is why we protect the marginalized. Ultimately, strengthening the rights of anyone builds a more robust framework for all of us. Conversely, weakening the rights of anyone puts everyone at risk by making rights conditional on the whims of power.
First they came for the...
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@wdlindsy @paco I teach high school in Spain. Last year I intercepted a love letter and read some lines thinking it was cheating. The girl waxed lyrical about the love object's wish to improve himself. My students share that outlook in public too: you want a girlfriend, you study hard and build a future. They don't want to be supported, just to be partners.
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@mastodonmigration @wdlindsy Let’s not forget the ignorant parents who coddle them and let them live at home, pay their bills, buy them cars and fail to teach them and encourage them how to support themselves. #FailureToThrive
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Beachbum last edited by [email protected]
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Here's an archive link to the above article.Paywall-free: https://web.archive.org/web/20250122180001/https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-youtube-podcast-men-for-trump/
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This podcast episode is on a related (the same?) subject but from a different angle.
https://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-are-boys-and-men-in-trouble/
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@EllenJS @lucybeahere @wdlindsy @paco
Reeves is an interesting character. His work is regarded as good in identifying the problem, but flawed in his prescriptions for addressing it, and too closely aligned with MRA (mens rights activist) thinking:
https://ifstudies.org/blog/right-diagnosis-wrong-prescription-richard-reeves-of-boys-and-men
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bouriquetreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy It’s a fear of poorly educated males who are afraid of being dominated or led by a woman, whether in a relationship, job or government.
That explains the difficulty Kamala Harris (and Hillary Clinton) had in getting males (not just white males) to vote for them, even despite the TV ad by Sam Elliott telling them to “man up” and “Be a man and vote for a woman” produced by the Lincoln Project. -
America is an immature violent country that has never moved on from its Wild West days. Largely terrorised by men, violated by men, ruled by men, corrupted by men, perverted by men, armed by and for men, preached to by men. And now it's telling its young men that they have been emasculated and need to be heard again.???
I would propose that we've heard enough of these male voices over the centuries.
Noteworthy that the religious leader who boldly spoke against Trump in church was Mariann Budde - a woman - and she was right to speak up.
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No real opinion. Just passing along some of the critique. The question of how to address this problem is a very interesting discussion and spans the gamet. A lot of the debate is about how much to coddle these young men vs. treat them as miscreants.
Feel like the thing that resonates about this criticism of Reeves is that much of his language is similar to the MRM, which despite the innocuous sounding title is a gateway to a pretty toxic set of ideas.
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@EllenJS @lucybeahere @wdlindsy @paco
Men's Rights Movement
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Godfrey642 last edited by
@Godfrey642 @bouriquet That's right. If you haven't read Heather Cox Richardson's book on how the South won the Civil War and the role a certain mythology of the West has played in making that possible, you might find her book really interesting.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to bouriquet last edited by
@bouriquet Yes, that's right. I very much agree.
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@sb Thank you so much. That's actually how I accessed the article, and I should have noted that for readers of the thread.
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