Screenshot of BlueSky post showing the power of composable moderation.
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@Vive_Levant I don't think you can change the post visibility on Mastodon after you publish it.
So from what I understand, the problem is specifically that you can make a "followers-only" post and tag someone who is not a follower.
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@stefan I misinterpreted your post, my bad.
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@stefan @mastodonmigration @Bam @mekkaokereke So this was built out in accordance with early feedback around 2016/2017 and meant to address two things: One, the major downside of "protected mode" on Twitter cutting you off from being to talk to non-mutuals; and two, making sure that you could see if someone was trying to dogpile you in secret. I'm not dead set on this behaviour but it needs to be evaluated in full context. I'll bring it up to the team on Monday.
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:PUA: Shlee fucked around andreplied to Eugen Rochko last edited by
@Gargron @stefan @mastodonmigration @Bam @mekkaokereke "followers only" really should mean the followers of the poster AND the followers of any tagged person.
but you know "follow sync" is one of those huge/hard unsolved problems.
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@Vive_Levant No worries, thank you for helping me test this a bit!
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"I'll bring it up to the team on Monday."
Thank you, really appreciate it!
And thank you also for providing the context behind why this behavior exists, very interesting. Really shows how hard it can be to get this right.
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Stefan Bohacekreplied to :PUA: Shlee fucked around and last edited byThis post is deleted!
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@stefan pleasure. Thanks for enlightening me about this harassment technique.
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@Vive_Levant My pleasure likewise!
Coincidentally, Eugen, the creator of Mastodon, just replied with some background for why this behavior exists.
Eugen Rochko (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] So this was built out in accordance with early feedback around 2016/2017 and meant to address two things: One, the major downside of "protected mode" on Twitter cutting you off from being to talk to non-mutuals; and two, making sure that you could see if someone was trying to dogpile you in secret. I'm not dead set on this behaviour but it needs to be evaluated in full context. I'll bring it up to the team on Monday.
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
Interesting stuff.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to Stefan Bohacek last edited by
@stefan @Gargron @Bam @mekkaokereke
Thank you. This does seem like a complicated issue and reviewing it now in light of the concerns raised makes a lot of sense.
Did want to flag @UlrikeHahn 's post one more time, which raises the important and beneficial GDPR privacy aspects of this mode.
Ulrike Hahn (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] “followers only” is privacy preserving in that your posts are not public, which has important legal implications under GDPR. If they constitute personal data (as is likely) they cannot be scraped, collected, stored, (eg to train an AI system) except with very specific Art 9 exemptions. That they are a vector for abuse is horrific, and desperately needs fixing, but a lack of data privacy generates algorithmic harms too.
FediScience.org (fediscience.org)
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@risottobias @shlee Ah, my bad, I misread this. Sorry!
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Peter Krausreplied to :PUA: Shlee fucked around and last edited by
@shlee @Gargron @stefan @mastodonmigration @Bam @mekkaokereke why shouldn't "followers only" mean "followers of the OP only"? With the ability to extend the visibility to others downstream from the OP disabled?
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:PUA: Shlee fucked around andreplied to Peter Kraus last edited by [email protected]
@pkraus @Gargron @stefan @mastodonmigration @Bam @mekkaokereke extending it to “tagged users must follow poster” might be a good fix to the abuse.
Or allow tagged users to boost it to their followers
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@inquiline I only just saw this post @inquiline and my impression too is that there are differences both between US and Europe and within Europe (e.g., UK versus Germany) in the extent to which the concept of ‘structural racism’ is familiar. That’s not just unfortunate because the concept has value, I think it also creates misunderstanding on this platform, because what a speaker means when they say “this is racist” may be quite different from what a given recipient hears - 1/2
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@inquiline @fivetonsflax 2/2 - and that may be to the detriment of both because I feel that in my two years here I have seen that gap create controversy and reactance on more than one occasion. That’s not, for a second, to claim that known problems here reduce to a misunderstanding, just that this difference doesn’t help. So to my mind, greater conceptual and terminological clarity in communication could be a mutual benefit in that cross-cultural dialogue.
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Hi @Gargron, just wondering if anything came out of that conversation that you'd be able to share publicly.
