We, the anonymous editors of the Stallman report, have published our investigation of Richard Stallman and the Free Software Foundation today to a general audience:
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@anthk @report_press when he "apologized" he said he now understands why adults having sex with children is harmful. But his own literal definition of children...
"Children: Humans up to age 12 or 13 are children. After that, they become adolescents or teenagers. Let’s resist the practice of infantilizing teenagers, by not calling them “children”."
So his apologies don't really hold much water if he is actually just saying "okay maybe under 13 it's wrong".
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[email protected]replied to The Stallman report last edited by [email protected]
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As far as I can see, the report doesn't mention that Stallman is also enbyphobic.
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The Stallman reportreplied to [email protected] last edited by
@183231bcb we were aware of this when preparing the report, and we have non-binary researchers on our team. They ultimately agreed that it was not necessary to include in the report. There were some other things which were left on the cutting room floor, too, for instance Stallman makes a lot of eugenics-adjacent remarks that we decided not to catalogue. However, we did address the transphobic "GNU Kind Communication Guidelines" in our calls to action at the end of the report.
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@cygnathreadbare @report_press
In my country the legal age of consent used to be 13 a few
years ago, until 2015 if I can recall it well.
Are you telling me that a good chunk of Spaniards were
pedophiles? Or maybe the age relationship worked between
normal gaps and people over 17-18 with 13yo where just
an anechdotical exception, too small to even show in a chart?
RMS' intent was not to support pedophilia, but an intelligent
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@anthk @cygnathreadbare @report_press the report addresses this (stupid) take:
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@anthk @cygnathreadbare @report_press and I'll add my own take which is that (1) RMS is not invoking "romeo and juliet" laws, he has defended 80+ year old men having sex with teenagers (2) your stupid take makes this community worse for everyone but especially women so put a sock in it
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@anthk @cygnathreadbare @report_press "some minors murder people so I should be allowed to fuck underage girls" is not as good of an argument as you seem to think it is
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@drewdevault @cygnathreadbare @report_press
In my country once you get legal consent (>= 16) it's over,
there's no discussion on age gaps.
The only similar case (not stated by law) would be a judge itself noticing
that a 15-19 yo relationship is not that far-fetched and thus the 19yo it's
cleared of all charges in a potential case, as it happened in Spain where
a 19yo close to maturity to 15yo girl got all charges dropped;
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Drew DeVaultreplied to Anthk last edited by [email protected]
@anthk @cygnathreadbare @report_press read this carefully.
Stallman does not defend relationships with small age gaps.
Stallman defends *all* sexual relationships between minors over the age of 12 or 13 and adults of any age.
Stallman frequently illustrates this with age gaps of 20, 30, even 50 years when making his points.
Read the appendix, then step away from the microphone and sit your ass down.
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katzenbergerreplied to The Stallman report last edited by
Please note that the FSF Europe #FSFE @fsfe has taken a clear stand here, immediately after it had learned that #Stallman became part of the #FSF board of directors again:
»That is why, as a legally and financially independent organisation, in which Richard Stallman has not had any decision-making powers, we call for his resignation from all FSF bodies. The FSF needs to seriously reflect on this decision as well as their decision-making process to prevent similar issues from happening again.«
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[email protected]replied to The Stallman report last edited by
@[email protected] Thanks. I hadn't even heard of the GNU Kind thing.
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@drewdevault @anthk @cygnathreadbare @report_press The urge to come up with *some* version of what he *might* have said which *could* plausibly be *somewhat* defensible — as opposed to just reading what the jerk *actually* said — is real strong with some RMS fans.
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@183231bcb @report_press please excuse me, if someone would be willing to point out/share the transphobia of the Kind Communcations I would greatly appreciate it. I am not picking up on it myself ...
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[email protected]replied to Roz :verifiedtransfem: last edited by
@[email protected] @[email protected] Thanks!
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@[email protected] thanks to all the editors, and everybody else who helped, for all your work on this report ... it's very well-documented, and makes it very clear just how little excuse there is for FSF and Stallman’s other defenders to continue to enable and support his behavior.
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Erik Uden 🥥🌴🍑replied to The Stallman report last edited by
Thank you @report_press for creating this extensive report — I remember reading first about Stallman's terrible behavior in a series of now deleted Medium articles by Selam G., which had many good citations. It was originally published in September 2019.
1 — Remove Richard Stallman
2 — Appendix A
3 — Vice Article She Leaked the E-Mails ToThe way women are pushed out of, and made invisible in, academia, specially in IT, is something us men need to focus a lot more on, as it is our fault and it can't just be their job to fix. We need to be attentive, we need to call out such behavior and reflect on our own actions too. When women, nonbinaries, and other marginalized groups say they didn't feel comfortable when something happened, our first reaction should be taking them seriously and believing them.
Stallman played a significant role in creating a hazardous environment for FLINTA* at MIT and wherever he worked. Who knows how many women were pushed away from working in Computer Science because of him directly and indirectly through the environment he upheld.
To believe software development is above politics means to ignore every social aspect and interaction working with humans has.
Your work represented in this long report is great progress and I hope it leads to some sort of reflection and change; maybe not within FSF America, maybe not within Richard Stallman personally, but long term with every person reading this.
