what are we using that isn't proton.me now
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@kissane Good to know, thanks. I'm not either, but I'm still on a grandfathered-in Google Apps for Your Domain. I provide it for a bunch of non-technical extended family too, so while I'm constantly kind of considering switching it up, the potential disruption always brings me up short.
@neuralgraffiti Yeah, I'm way into the Google infra inertia hole. I probably need a secure sidechannel, though.
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what are we using that isn't proton.me now
edit: post whatever you want but "self host" is never ever going to be me, I have seen too much
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what are we using that isn't proton.me now
edit: post whatever you want but "self host" is never ever going to be me, I have seen too much
@kissane I wish I knew
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what are we using that isn't proton.me now
edit: post whatever you want but "self host" is never ever going to be me, I have seen too much
@kissane OK. Hot take.
I'm staying with Proton. I only recently joined. It's not perfect, and the CEO is an idiot.
But I am not a self-hosting guy, and everything else also has downsides.
The least-worst solution for me right now is a Swiss company that has at least some form of accountability.
You want 100% secure comms? Then I don't think email is for you anyway.
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what are we using that isn't proton.me now
edit: post whatever you want but "self host" is never ever going to be me, I have seen too much
@kissane I've used Mailbox.org and Fastmail and both were fine.
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what are we using that isn't proton.me now
edit: post whatever you want but "self host" is never ever going to be me, I have seen too much
@kissane wise choice on the no hosting yourself. I was an email administrator for 14 years. never again.
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@kissane wise choice on the no hosting yourself. I was an email administrator for 14 years. never again.
@Da_Gut Yeah I don't host my own email for the same reason I don't do my own blood draws when I need lab work. I *could* do it but it would be gross and I'd hate it and there'd be blood all over the floor.
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what are we using that isn't proton.me now
edit: post whatever you want but "self host" is never ever going to be me, I have seen too much
@kissane Self-hosting email in a world of overbearing spam capture is a non-starter. I ended up at Google. Others suggested Zohomail. Asking my nerd friends, you really need a big enterprise behind you to make sure your email actually gets through.
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what are we using that isn't proton.me now
edit: post whatever you want but "self host" is never ever going to be me, I have seen too much
@kissane I’d love to hear your rubric of how to choose / what you’re looking for.
Fastmail still seems to work well for people.
Spaceship (NameCheap’s reboot codebase) has very affordable plans https://www.spaceship.com/business-email/
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@kissane Self-hosting email in a world of overbearing spam capture is a non-starter. I ended up at Google. Others suggested Zohomail. Asking my nerd friends, you really need a big enterprise behind you to make sure your email actually gets through.
@peterme Yeah I need actual delivery for emails! I’m at Google still for most things but need a better sidechannel and would love to have far fewer eggs in US baskets.
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@kissane I’d love to hear your rubric of how to choose / what you’re looking for.
Fastmail still seems to work well for people.
Spaceship (NameCheap’s reboot codebase) has very affordable plans https://www.spaceship.com/business-email/
@boris Outside the US, excellent security reputation, solid delivery and spam handling. Not feeding private comms into chatbot soup. I’m very basic!
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@boris Outside the US, excellent security reputation, solid delivery and spam handling. Not feeding private comms into chatbot soup. I’m very basic!
@kissane Yeah the geographic requirement is the interesting one.
There is a long tier of regional providers of mediocre quality but even there it’s going to take some digging to figure out if the servers / services are domiciled in region.
Service provider supply chain…
@georgia has her in.fra.red group of providers but not sure if any of them are generally available.
My friends at CanTrust Hosting Co-Op are worth looking at https://cantrusthosting.coop/product/canwork-cloud-single-user/
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@kissane Yeah the geographic requirement is the interesting one.
There is a long tier of regional providers of mediocre quality but even there it’s going to take some digging to figure out if the servers / services are domiciled in region.
Service provider supply chain…
@georgia has her in.fra.red group of providers but not sure if any of them are generally available.
My friends at CanTrust Hosting Co-Op are worth looking at https://cantrusthosting.coop/product/canwork-cloud-single-user/
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what are we using that isn't proton.me now
edit: post whatever you want but "self host" is never ever going to be me, I have seen too much
@kissane I'm seeing many suggestions for Tuta. It is the most similar, common alternative. But there may be no easy way out of this because… email.
Because it's email, if we want encryption then the email providers on both ends of the conversation need to speak the same language. Anddd if there's email encryption people have to be aware of (including PGP) someone's probably going to footgun it.
There are workarounds but you probably want to move some of these conversations to encrypted texts.
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@kissane I'm seeing many suggestions for Tuta. It is the most similar, common alternative. But there may be no easy way out of this because… email.
Because it's email, if we want encryption then the email providers on both ends of the conversation need to speak the same language. Anddd if there's email encryption people have to be aware of (including PGP) someone's probably going to footgun it.
There are workarounds but you probably want to move some of these conversations to encrypted texts.
@mshelton Totally, and thanks for spelling that out. I'm on encrypted messaging for almost everything but I want to move my (innocuous! boring!) email off of goog infra when I can and…egghhh.
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what are we using that isn't proton.me now
edit: post whatever you want but "self host" is never ever going to be me, I have seen too much
@kissane you could be joining https://mayfirst.coop as a member and have mail there. Or https://maadix.net or riseup...
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@kissane you could be joining https://mayfirst.coop as a member and have mail there. Or https://maadix.net or riseup...
@gaba May First has been on my list for ages, tbh. I'm a member of so many things that I lose track.
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@kissane you could be joining https://mayfirst.coop as a member and have mail there. Or https://maadix.net or riseup...
