Honestly, if you’re in the US, please vote.
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@barney @GreenFire @benroyce @firebreathingduck @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 Jill Stein is not a Russian agent.
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firebreathingduckreplied to George Maschke last edited by
@gwm @barney @GreenFire @benroyce @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
"It also highlights how she is the reason that we even had to have a first Trump administration too."
That's funny, I could have sworn the reason we had a first Trump administration was Republican voters.
How silly of me.
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@firebreathingduck @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
for the 25th time in this thread:
in a fptp voting system, a 3rd party vote serves as a spoiler on the party closest to you, and de facto support for the one furthest from you
this is the reality
i don't like that reality, but i live in reality
do you?
my question for the trolls here working hard to elect trump to get us more genocide by supporting 3rd party:
do. you. understand. the. usa. is. a. fptp. voting. system.
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@benroyce @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
For the 3rd time on this thread, if not the 25th:
1. I *did* decide that Trump is so much of a threat, that I voted for Harris. My refusal to vote Democrat again until they stop the genocide starts next year, assuming Trump is defeated.
2. The people de facto supporting the party furthest from me are the people that actually vote for the party furthest from me. Again, you're making a fascist, false dichotomy "If you're not with us, you're against us" argument.
If "harm reduction" is the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of civilians, maybe we're not worth saving.
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@firebreathingduck @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
i appreciate you voted for harris
so why are you here trying to minimize the problem of 3rd party voting?
do
you
understand
the
usa
is
a
fptp
voting
system
helllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooo
"Again, you're making a fascist, false dichotomy "If you're not with us, you're against us" argument"
no, galaxy brain, IT'S JUST MATH
learn
you are uneducated
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@benroyce @gwm @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
The Democrats are never going to move left, as long as their current policy of "Fuck you all, the Republicans are worse" and promising all kinds of progressive policies they never intend to deliver wins elections.
I live in Pennsylvania. Voters in PA can't even make ballot initiatives to change state laws or the state constitution. All ballot initiatives have to come from the state legislature, which will never voluntarily give the citizens the power to break the two party duopoly.
When enough people vote third party, the Democrats might decide they need to deliver on their campaign promises. Until then, they'll keep marching us to hell by using Republicans as extortion.
(Edit: for anyone that stumbles across this post without seeing the rest of the thread: I voted for Harris, I voted for Biden, I voted for Hillary Clinton. I consider Trump a unique threat. But going forward, I'm done.)
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George Maschkereplied to firebreathingduck last edited by
@firebreathingduck @benroyce @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 The Democrats have triangulated me straight out of the Party.
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@gwm @firebreathingduck @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
your toxic idealism has rendered you impotent
democrats had nothing to do with it
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@benroyce @firebreathingduck @barney @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 I don't think the idea that genocide is intolerable is "toxic."
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Then why did you come here to help Trump win?
You're a fraud. A genocide-supporting liar.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/25/trump-netanyahu-support-gaza-lebanon/
@benroyce @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36
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@barney @benroyce @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 I didn't come here to help Trump win. I responded to @Gargron's post to point out that the winner of the 2024 presidential election is going to be a fascist, whether it's Trump or Harris, and that there is an anti-fascist alternative on the ballot.
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@gwm @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron
and what you don't know, in ignorance, or you know, but hide in malice, is that in an fptp voting system 3rd parties only serve as a spoiler
thus a vote for 3rd party is a vote for trump, and you are helping us get fascism, and helping to kill palestinians
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(I don't know if anyone else still cares about the discussion.)
Impotence is spending twenty years voting for a party that has no interest in implementing anything they campaigned on.
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yeah. they've done nothing. no gay marriage. no legal marijuana. no obamacare. nothing has changed at all. yeah. yup
and yes the dems could do more
if more people fucking voted so they could win more
and stopped *blaming the democrats for GOP obstruction*, genius
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@benroyce @barney @firebreathingduck @GreenFire @fiberologist @WAHa_06x36 @Gargron What I know is that I reject any candidate who supports genocide. That rules out both Trump and Harris for me.
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blaming the Democrats for GOP obstruction?
Obama controlled the Department of Justice for 8 years and filed 0 anti-trust suits for "too big to fail" and prosecuted 1 small fry industry middle manager for "we're going to go after the people who caused the financial crisis". The big banks are still there, and Biden hasn't gone after them either.
Obama campaigned on protecting whistleblowers and then treated Snowden like a traitor.
Biden was the biggest Democrat cheerleader for the unjustified invasion of Iraq.
The GOP didn't make Obama order 563 drone strikes during his Presidency.
The GOP didn't make Hillary Clinton orchestrate the coup in Libya.
The Democrats overwhelmingly support our military budget every year.
Biden and the Democrats could have stopped the military aid to Israel at any time.
I am *profoundly* grateful for the Affordable Care Act, and the anti-trust lawsuits filed under Biden, and the appointment of judges that respect the humanity of people that aren't white cis heterosexual Christian men, and the legalization of marijuana.
But the big picture is that the Democrats are still in Wall Street's pocket, still bloodthirsty warmongers.
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my friend, you are absolutely blaming the democrats for GOP obstruction
because you think you can pick and choose a narrative that all blame falls on the democrats is not only merely a hilarious joke, it is merely a demonstration of your ignorance, dishonesty, or malice
additionally, the democrats suck
they will never be perfect
you will always be able to criticize something
therefore, you are a toxic idealist, because your standard for delivering criticism is deranged
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to libramoon last edited by [email protected]
@libramoon @gwm @ducksauz @WAHa_06x36 @johnstonphilip @benroyce @Mourioche
This needs to be tagged with #Palestine, #Gaza, #Islamophobia, and #GenocideJoe, because it is exactly what I keep saying the people in those conversations need to keep in mind.We have a candidate, otherwise pretty good, who has this one policy position that a lot of us are finding indefensible. I don't like defending it myself, but we go to war with the army we have. I see a lot of resentment coming from the Arab and Islamic communities, but also a lot of begrudging support simply because this is not a normal election: people who throw away this chance to stop fascism in the US are going to regret it for the rest of their lives.
Under Kamala Harris, we are not likely to get the swift action that we want, but under Donald Trump? If he gets elected the Palestinians will be dead before the midterm, assuming we even get to have another midterm.
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How very white-privileged of you, George.
Palestinians don't have the luxury of pretending that there can be a "President Neither." They have to live, or die, with either Trump or Harris. And you came here to help get Harris elected. That's a goddamned fact. And you have some goddamned nerve pretending you give a shit about Palestinians.
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furthermore, the answer to your complaints is participation in the primaries, getting us 50 AOCs
to vote *more*, not less
if you use your words as a reason to detach, the democrats weaken, and move further to the center, thus you are helping to create the very problems you complain about
the democrats are not magical archvillains, they are an expression of who votes for them. and you are articulating the reason why *you* are to blame for why they suck if you detach
