Give undocumented immigrants...documents.
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There will be as people cover their own asses when asked to do dodgy things.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
A county administrator could go rogue and start issuing birth certificates to random adults, but they’d quickly be found out. Then it’s easy to spot the fakes like “All Hazard County birth certs issued between 2025-04-01 and 2025-04-20 are sus.“
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Advertising? Even if only word-of-mouth.
It would have to be pretty secretive. But it's not like there aren't other services out there that do similar things illegally under cover of anonymity. (Silk Road, anyone?)
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Why would the government serving the rich help the migrant worker obtain stronger bargaining position?
Sometimes it feels like people don't understand these basic concepts.
Migrant labour is usef to suppress domestic wages.
H1b for white collar and illegals for blue collar and farm. The moment you give either of them same legal standing as the indigenous population, they will ask for market rate. Literally defeats the purpose of importing them.
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Oh, I thought you were pointing out that funding the process so they can get their documents would be the solution, which is true. The whole 'border crisis' is a manufactured problem caused by defunding the immigration process, especially for asylum seekers, and capping the number that can immigrate to a ridiculously low number.
The solution is improving the process so they can be documented.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
The biggest issue is that the birth certificate is typically done at a very local level, usually the county, and not anyone can file one. It's often the case that a particular person at a hospital or a registered midwife needs to file the application. Parents can report a live birth outside of an institution but you need to physically go to a courthouse with the baby.
A different group of people is responsible for social security cards.If one county clerk files a huge number of birth certificates and uses them to back social security card requests, it'll be noticed.
There's always a way around the paper trail, usually by just making sure no one bothers to look at it, but they all involve adding more people to the conspiracy, which adds more risk.
No one will notice that one doctor delivered 500 babies in one day if no one looks at the paperwork, but each person involved increases the likelihood of a mistake causing people to look, which almost certainly will cause those details to be noticed.It's similar to how people do a huge amount of any fraud, and then once a thread of detail gets noticed the entire thing is unraveled.
Your best bet is to minimize the number of forged documents. I would predict that a single person could most easily get a non-citizen us national passport for someone to assume an American somoan identity. Since there's comparatively few non-citizen us nationals, a passport is the federally preferred method of identification. Since the territory is an edge case, there's more room for slipups, and since you're not posing as a citizen, you have an excuse not to have some records.
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[email protected]replied to [email protected] last edited by
How would they be found out, though? When was the last time someone asked for your birth certificate?
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so now I can get 7 difierent names with different birthdates. Then I use one to do some fraud under a new name. when the police investigate I have an id of someone else and can throw the old name away.
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Work visas aren't exactly the same as "the indigenous populations".
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Yeah, but in lieu of that, printer go brrrrrrr
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Exactly, work visa give employer more bargaining power over the wage slave. That's the key feature of the system.
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That is also true
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But also keeps them from being deported.
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Admiral Patrickreplied to [email protected] last edited by
When was the last time someone asked for your birth certificate?
- Just renewed my driver's licensed and it was required
- For some reason, I needed it to request a transcript from my college
- Signing the closing papers on my damn house? Believe it or not (I didn't), birth certificate. No idea why.
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They'll come to an agreement to keep undocumented immigrants real fast once they learn that communities will suffer a large tax shortage and labor shortage without them.
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One can only assume
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Bad part about this is the damage will have already been done by the time they realize it.
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In the past, maybe, but I feel like with the current ruling party having all branches of government under their control that they'll will become more and more blatant and just expect pardons or the USSC to let them off. It's not like Republicans would actually impeach and remove anyone on their own team.
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Someone will get caught trying to do something illegal with their fraudulent docs, and eventually it will all unravel.
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They will just start mass incarcerations and backstop everything with slave labour. With the side effect of squashing wages even further.
