Is there a "normie" or more mainstream instance for Lemmy?

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Good points!

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Ahahaha, hadn't even noticed that!

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If you are making alternatives to republicanism more unpleasant and unappealing to the people whom we need to persuade, well, it seems like you are aiding fascism...

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Generally, classically I've understood Socialism to still involve central planning of industry/production.

Whereas most modern socialist democracies tend to heavily regulate industry and enact social welfare programs to minimize the effects of different classes etc.

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Too bad that's your experience. Yes it is true that some comrades can get "intense" at times. I think that, more than the ideas, it is how to express them that is at fault by their part.

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“People don’t vote for my side so I’ll say they’re enabling fascism!”

iconic, I've been repeatedly told by liberals that because I voted third party that I'm essentially a trump voter.

that wasn't what was said though.

they said that liberals created the material conditions for fascism. i.e. by suppressing the left and only offering up warmongering and genocide they created a situation where someone like trump could get elected. again.

a fair number of the people who are on this platform are here specifically because oligarch-owned media sites heavily censor all left wing speech, and have done so for many years.

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My instance doesn't really take a political stance, you're welcome unless you're an extremist (left or right, doesn't really matter to me).

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Respectfully, Adam Smith did not invent capitalism. So why even bother bringing him up? I know it's what the indoctrinated have often been selectively fed. But he is no final word on capitalism other than the American system.

Even then he needs to be understood in the context of the times he lived in. He was very Progressive and educated for his time. But even if he believed that government should have some say in capitalism. Government back then meant wealthy white land owning males. I.E the capital class. I.E Capital controlling capital. Not the workers. Not women. Capitalism has always been about oligarchy.

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I don’t think it helps that politics absolutely dominates Lemmy, where Reddit has enough diverse subreddits that you could probably just avoid politics all together.

I think that's the problem with all "alternative" social media... both ones that I like and stand behind like lemmy... and the opposite end, the Parlors, MeWe's, Truth Social etc...

The point is... mainstream people talking about shows, video games etc... rarely hit any kind of limitations in the public spaces. I myself still go on reddit to see communities of specific shows, games etc... and... it's fine for that. If I were to try and make the suggestion for a show or movie subreddit to move to lemmy, it would be a tough case.

The ones who see the flaws and limits of the corporate platform... are the ones either teetering at the edge of socially acceptable, or over it.

Whether that's say us lefties that believe All Cops are Bastards, or right wing guys that think america was better in Jim Crow era. Bottom line is... people looking for alternatives, are doing so because the existing platforms are likely to censor them... which means the alternatives will be disproportionately more extreme.

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It's not absolutist. Mildly reductive perhaps. But not remotely absolutist.

How could anyone be for it? It's literally rule by the wealthy. It was a response created by wealthy mercantilist. Frustrated that no matter how much money they had there was an echelon of power always denied to them.

It's always been tried with that definition. At the founding of the United States, wealthy white land owning males. The capital class with all the capital controlled it. It was oligarchy from it's establishment. It was more beneficial on average than mercantilism. But still a failure.

Even today in China. The vanguard, their capital controlling class controls and regulates their state capitalism. Capital regulates capitalism. Not the people.

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‘Left-wing’ in casual use in the US refers to “everyone except the Republicans and some moderates”, but “left-wing” in any serious political talk refers to anti-capitalism.

Please list the mainstream "leftist" parties in any G20 nation that are "anti-capitalist"; and by mainstream I mean they have more than two representatives at the federal level.

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Respectfully, Adam Smith did not invent capitalism...But he is no final word on capitalism other than the American system.

So the Scottish Economist who is often described as the "Father of Capitalism", the guy who was teaching Capitalism before the United States even existed is somehow irrelevant?

In your opinion the guy who literally defined Capitalism and then ran all over Europe destroying Mercantilism with his ideas is only relevant, maybe, to the United States?

Say w0t?

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I don't think it's the non hierarchy, I think it's the being called a fascist enabler for supporting mainstream Democrat positions etc that is offputting.

I have trouble recommending this place to others because of some of our less than delightful members.

Reddit was big enough that once you got into niche communities, the angry crazies were either banned or hadn't found community or whatever. Lemmy is still small so we don't have that. So, was just hoping for an instance or whatnot that was less communism and linux and more friendly to an average person.

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Db0 is the best instance with the least friction from mods and admins.

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Beehaw probably

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Then honestly you must live in some radically conservative country.

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Typical lemmy.world user right there.

I’m a queer woman.

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a fair number of the people who are on this platform are here specifically because oligarch-owned media sites heavily censor all left wing speech, and have done so for many years.

I got banned from every platform, and my account on lemmy.world was also banned.

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You can't just define capitalism however you want.

Most people understand that businesses need regulation, that's the point and basis of so many agencies and bodies that it's almost comical.

The real argument is how heavily it should be regulated. Yes, some folks, particularly those with a lot of capital don't want regulations. That no more means capitalism itself doesn't want or need regulations than say, a soccer player with a strong punch who wishes you could just punch other players means soccer wants players to be able to punch each other in the head.

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Then go find one where you don't interact with anyone. Interaction is discourse and discourse is the "social" in social media.. Not everyone is going to share the same viewpoint, and you can either avoid them and build your wall, or you can have a discussion.