Centrism

Iceblade

Yup, fact is a majority of people in thd US agree on many of the most important issue, yet the governing structure seeks to "otherize" people from each other as much as possible in order to prevent meaningful discourse and foster division.

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Okay, I'm Canadian, but let's play ball:

Republicans (right-wing) want to ban abortion.

Democrats (*left-wing) want to not ban abortion.

What's the Centrist solution here? Is it... some bans on abortion by any chance?

(*I'm aware they're basically right-of-centre at this point, but not wanting to ban abortion is a 'left' stance.)

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The part where they are similar is that both the far left and far right are willing to use authoritarian violence to achieve their goals. And the representation of the left as just "oppression is bad" is overly simplistic. They too believe in oppression of particular groups (see oppression of academics/scientists/bourgeoise/etc in almost all communist take-overs). Centrists can also have very differing views as well but the reason they are located where they are on the horseshoe is because they would rather problems be solved with slow beauraucracy/well-defined protocols and not revolution or political violence.

This is not an admonishment or support for any of these things from me personally. Just pointing out in more detail the idea behind horseshoe theory.

Majorllama

Can't have the population working together to take out the elites. They need us good and pissed off at each other so we are too busy to see them taking everything and giving us scraps constantly.

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There was literally a slip in the first international. You can't blame those aligning with the lesser influential side for the things the authoritarians did. "The Left" is a far too broad concept to apply the No True Scotsman fallacy to.

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Both sides are bad and very close to the same in result. They differ in method and the only thing they both agree on is they can't stand someone who wont endorse one side or the other. I'm not a centrist. I'm a victim of both parties. I want to see them all in jail. The root cause is the type of person who seeks out power. They should never be allowed power. Of course we now have the perfect suck of power hungry trash backed by all the other power hungry trash. They will continue to pit us against each other. Just like these types of cartoon where they insist the centrist are the problem and not the foaming at the mouth zealots on the right and the left. There are at least three sides. The corrupt democrats. The corrupt republicans. Their victims. If you endorse either side is being better or worse you are not a victim.

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When has the right been correct about things? Lmao

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I've actually never met anyone like this. I think people on social media want a binary so they simplify all opinions into fascism vs antifascism and then point and laugh at those who try to bring the details back into the discussion. They claim that centrists are somehow "splitting the difference" between fascism and antifascism.

It's so illogical I can't help but rule it out when trying to understand someone's train of thought.

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Well, Elon and German far-right politician Alice Weidel claimed in a reason talk that Hitler was a communist...

Majorllama

Do you people have any amount of self awareness?

Do you legitimately believe that anything and everything the right has ever said or done has been wrong?

Most people would say that Hitler was a terrible person (and they would be right), but even the evil as shit Hitler did some Good things in his life even if some people refuse to admit it.

Hitler is credited with pulling Germany out of the post WW1 economic slump. One of the major contributors was his insistence on building the highway/Autobahn. It enabled Germany to expand faster and years before other European countries could catch up

Him and the Nazis were among the first to recognize the health benefits with not smoking and he is credited with pushing Germans to quit smoking but especially pregnant women and kids.

If you want a more recent example:

During Trump's first Term he made it easier to prosecute financial crimes. The main way he did this was by requiring businesses to report their true owners. No longer would they spend as much time and money digging through shell corporations to figure out who is truly responsible.

If you want a less recent example:

Nixon created the EPA.

Not everything the left does is rainbows and perfection. Not everything the right does is evil and ruins the planet. You need to stop thinking in absolutes and recognize that things are more complicated.

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Far left is mostly also authoritarian. They say they want everyone to have the same rights but get angry or try to silence people that don't agree with their radical ways. I'm not talking about the left in general but the far left. Tankies definitely are authoritarian.

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Are they far left? No? Then it doesn't apply to the horseshoe theory since it doesn't become closer aligned again

ObjectivityIncarnate

You don't understand what centrism is. There is no such thing as a single "centrist position".

Centrism defines a collective of views; it describes a set of points of view that lie on both 'wings', such that it's not really accurate to label that person as either.

Defining centrism the way you just did is kind of like defining bisexuality as being attracted only to a person who is a 50/50 mixture of male/female (which of course doesn't actually exist), instead of someone who is capable of being attracted to males and females. And just how most bi people have a preference 'lean' toward one sex over the other, centrists also tend to 'lean', based on where the lion's share of their values sit.

Basically, anyone who describes themselves as "left/right leaning" is a centrist, specifically who has volunteered a bit more specificity about their set of values.

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I just think if we long term want to build a stable system that works for everybody we can't just keep rerolling dice hoping a revolution would magically fix it all. I like my politics boring if it gets the job done and keeps improving and iterating on a better system

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I think its funny how they keep bringing up democrats and say they are the far left end of the horseshoe. In my country dems would be considered center-right. I do not think they are like radical at all so I think thats why the comic is oversimplified.

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Where can I get that upside-down blue flag shirt? That's going to go hard while the police are beating me for having a sign on a sidewalk.

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Tankies aren't the only option over there. Authoritarianism is just Authoritarianism, no matter what dressing they throw on it.

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Its really stupid. We need to work together in a country anyways to accomplish anything meaningful. While I don't think the label far left is fit for dems I think this us vs them mentality definitely makes for a less constructive discussion

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tankies are right wingers who use leftist vocabulary

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They called the affordability crisis. Notably Hitler was right that the American loans would hurt Germany. Broken clocks are right twice a day and fascist ones make the most of them.