We're RIGHT HERE

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It's marketing, but it's also the value proposition. Average Joes don't see the value in decentralization or the freedom from corporate control. Although that may change under an authoritarian regime....

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show me a federated system that has a bunch of cool tiktoky videos….
afaik, it’s mostly text and that much data would be a huge problem

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As someone who isn’t tech savvy I only joined the fediverse when I had no other choice when Apollo shutdown (except of course going back to Reddit)

Heck when I heard talks of lemmy hearing the word servers was enough to spook me out of joining until last minute

Amon

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IMO it is DOA because the whole point of TikTok is the feed algorithm. You're not supposed to pick what to watch, the algorithm knows your interests. The idea of TikTok therefore is fundamentally unethical and any libre alternatives will be hindered by the fact that users want the unethical part which no developer should or wants to implement.

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I found that any video I try to upload longer than about 17 seconds fails while anything shorter works.

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Lemmy is great but it does not hit the spot for a large-scale consumer social network because that's just not the philosophy (It also lacks the unified identity because of its greatest feature: federation)

People are not searching for an aggregator of small forums of friendly tech people, they want to be part of the next big thing.

If you work on apps as a front-end, you probably understand that Lemmy requires too much hassle to get started with UX-wise.

It's engineered for a niche, and it's perfect to me but obscure for the majority of people who were trained to use the same UX for years and years.

No algorithm, no feeling of fame, rarely drama, content takes some time to be updated. Those are features to me but hindrance for large-scale adoption I believe.

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Blocking is just shoving your head in the sand,

And so is trying to get anyone who disagrees with you to shut up.

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A big barrier is the UI, the default lemmy UI is terrible.

The apps aren't great either, I'm very techy and haven't found one feels as nice as reddit (and the reddit app has many issues)

Normies just aren't going to push past all those barriers

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Sure, but people cannot cry about a service disappearing when disappearing resistant technology exists and just needs attention. Like, it's being worked on, either help or get out of the way and quit complaining

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The tiktok ban was never about China. It was about killing off a dissent medium.

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others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

really?

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I don’t see why the concept should be unethical.

In practice, of course it is insanely unethical as the algorithms are designed to maximize view time which leads to algorithmic radicalization and hate spreading more quickly, but the concept of an algorithm knowing and learning what you like and selecting for you itself isn’t unethical.

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It’s expensive for video though.

In other words, I have a hard time seeing Pixelfed with a high quality "benign" TikTok algorithm. It’s already possible for music, but video data\analysis is just so voluminous that, without the profitable exploitation backing it, I don't see how they'd pay for it.

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Where were people's protests & complaints when the US government were first proposing the ban?

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I don’t see why the concept should be unethical

I give every dog I meet all the peanut butter it can eat no matter what every time whether or not the dog is mine

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idk, pixelfed is doing great.

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Yeah it definitely is, sign ups are still limited at the moment, I had to wait several days to get a confirmation email. The iOS app is only in beta at the moment so can only be downloaded from TestFlight. The main for you page currently seems to be just a chronological list of what people have uploaded so it’s hard to discover any content older than a day.

That being said none of those are really complaints, I went in knowing its not feature complete yet and I’m excited to see where it goes. I never used TikTok so I wasn’t looking for a replacement (and I’m in the UK so it’s not getting banned anyway)

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I have long since given up on Normies ever coming to the Indie Web, federated or otherwise

Ever since the big Xwitter exodus, when people went to BlueSky when Mastodon was right there.

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Reddit got quite successfull over the years.

I think the potential audience for lemmy is huge, just that people havent gotten the same marketing hype/trend like you pointed out.

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Platforms that work and are easy to use*