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stebo

i mean why would anyone other than an incel use these parts of the internet (lemmy/reddit/4chan/...)

Diplomjodler

I've never heard about "cultural appropriation" outside of jokes making fun of it. And it's one of the right's favourite strawmen. Maybe it's time to let it go?

NONE

I mean "fetish" in the pretentious and boring way.

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That was either Super Mario Odyssey or Paper Mario: Sticker Star (Mario can wear a sombrero in both). In Odyssey it's just a themed cosmetic that can be bought with coins. In Sticker Star, it's an attack.

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i remember it started with an 8

Carighan Maconar

Yeah context and intend make all the difference. Cultural appropriation is when you try to clad yourself in something that is a facsimile of another culture, usually for marketing or influence purposes, but you neither understand nor have any intend to understand the culture itself or the meaning behind the parts you use for your (usually financial) gain.

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If it's difficult to know, people probably should be given the benefit of the doubt

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It’s also when someone takes from other cultures and then claim it as their own without acknowledging the origin. Like how Elvis covered songs from black artists and didn’t credited the original artists and now white people think they solely invented rock n roll.

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The counterexample to Mexicans and their Sombreros is Plains Indians and their War bonnet (those feather crowns they used to sell as "Indian kids costumes"), whenever cultural appropriation is mentioned this comes up, so I'd be rather surprised if you hadn't heard of it before.

Any spicy takes on that one, or have you really just never heard of it?

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The concept of cultural appropriation seems to be pretty useless in practice.

The cases I've encountered where it makes some bit of sense fit better under the concepts of racism or exploitation. The complaints about cultural appropriation online seem to more often attack innocent behaviour or someone genuinely appreciating another culture.

Drink tea, make tacos, wear a kimono, don't be an asshole

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negative and unrealistic stereotype

which would just be racism really

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now i want a t-shirt/tote-bag with that line.

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I was just joking. Imagine me having sex.

NONE

I know you were joking, I just wanted to avoid to imagine anybody else having sex.

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Great explanation, thank you very much!

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Most americans maybe, I've never seen this idea anywhere else.

And funnily enough people don't have the same logic with, for example, sexism.

Flying Squid

When I was 12 or 13, we took a trip to Mexico and took public transportation and stayed in small non-touristy places where the people staying in the hotels were more likely to be Mexicans than Americans (not to save money, my parents just thought it would be more fun). I remember sitting in a hotel lobby with a TV on and some Mexican kids sitting around watching Speedy Gonzales cartoons dubbed into Spanish with their parents casually chatting and I was like, "WTF? Isn't Speedy Gonzales racist? They don't care? They like it?"

Like VindictiveJudge says, he's the hero who outwits his opponents and always wins. I'd add that the opponents are always American.

Flying Squid

Correct. And if they don't come from the Sandalé region in France, they're not thongs. They're just sparkling toe slippers.

Flying Squid

Also, plenty of Latin American culture was basically forced on the indigenous by the Spanish. There's a reason why poor people in countries like Bolivia dress more like 16th century Spanish peasants than their indigenous ancestors. Those bowler hats people wear in Bolivia aren't part of Incan culture.

If you dress like what people consider to be traditional Bolivian dress these days and you're American, I guess you're appropriating Spanish culture from centuries ago? I don't think anyone would give a shit.

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IDK, even then, I don't think you need to understand the culture about it so much. E.g. there was some incident about a white girl wearing a qipao to prom and she got called out for it. In the end, it's just a piece of clothing that looks nice. It isn't some deeply symbolic thing for people.

I don't expect her to try to understand Chinese culture before wearing a qipao (which originated in Mongolia before Chinese appropriated it BTW), and I don't expect Chinese to understand Western culture before wearing a suit and tie.

But obviously there are some cases, as you said where context does matter.