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3 times as much as what number?

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I don't use mind-altering substances nor am a cop, but I also like to beat people

~in~ ~chess~

~haha~ ~get~ ~checkmated~

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NERD

ps: joking, you are very smart, keep going!

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Isn't chess for nerds or something?
All the cool people play shogi (the Japanese version, much cooler)

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The overall average

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Chess is for people to pretend they are smart, when they are boring af (such as me)

Lemminary

Nationwide average.

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Just to break the irony: I prefer shogi and don't play chess anymore to the extent where it freaks me out that pawns take pieces by moving diagonal and there are never pieces to drop. That are the most significant differences emotionally when I look at a diagram of a mate puzzle or something. Nevertheless I totally appreciate chess players. It's a cool hobby even tho it's not the coolest option out there.

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*the ones who will admit to beating their wives

Mr PoopyButthole

Time to get funky
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=btX7h68FqNo

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and all the coolest people play go

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As people less likely to beat their wives.

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Statistics are hard to determine on domestic violence

The “40% of cops beat their wives” probably comes from this:

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED338997.pdf

A congressional hearing where a professor testified that officers were asked if they had “gotten out of control and behaved violently towards their spouses or children within the last 6 months” and approximately 40% said yes. This is vaguely worded and while acting violently towards your family is shitty regardless there are a number of ways to interpret that question (beat them regularly, slapped them, yell at them, berate them, isolated incidents vs consistent campaigns, etc)

There is a concept in experimental design called an operational definition, that a behavior should be defined in such a way that observers trying to measure the variable are clear in what they are trying to measure. “Self injury” is poor on its own, but saying “hand to head hits with closed fist” is quite a bit better (though still can be problematic because sometimes intensity can be a problem but I digress)

https://policing.umhistorylabs.lsa.umich.edu/files/original/5528df2d5b5c33cfeaa930146cfe20ccb5cad0cd.pdf

Neidig study also found a rate of around 41% and is cited to support the claim but if you read the methodology it’s flawed to do this: the operational definition is much improved but the data for 41% includes violence initiated both by cops and by their spouses. If you only include violence initiated by cops it’s closer to 28%. However this does indicate they create toxic relationships based around violence and mutual violence is not uncommon in domestic abuse. There’s a lot more to dynamics in domestic violence (including power dynamics when the police don’t take dv very seriously and power dynamics when your partner is a member of the police who are supposed to respond the arrest them for doing dv)

So that leads to other experimental design issues here. For one, these are self report and this is likely a huge flaw. Think about it, if you were a person beating your spouse, would you be down to admit that to an academic who is absolutely going to document it?

So there have been other studies to address this that look at crime rates via police reports rather than self reports. These show relatively low rates of about 17%. However, this suffers from the power dynamic flaw above. I worked in domestic abuse support for years and several women I worked with were spouses of police (and firefighters too fwiw). Per these people their spouses were never charged and often gloated about this; the cops were called often and would do anything to resolve the situation except arrest them. They would drive the spouses somewhere else, the would take the cop out drinking (great idea), etc. I do wonder if a report only gets filed when the damage from dv becomes impossible to ignore; when the cop beats their partner or child so badly they requires intense medical attention or the scene becomes so intense it is a public spectacle

The initial research is from the 90s and not much has been done since, likely because working around these design issues is extremely difficult. I genuinely do not know how one would do it in a way that would not introduce a ton of bias and error. The only thing I could even think is that you could interview spouses but that is almost as flawed as the officer self report. I would imagine there is a culture of intimidation there preventing open dialogues plus there is always the chance for false positives I suppose.

Zagorath

and there are never pieces to drop

Pfft, imagine not playing crazyhouse.

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As one wife, so therefore cops have 3 wives.

JaggedRobotPubes

Only three times lol, what is this pro-cop propaganda.

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The numbers have to come from somewhere, and we all know how good police are at making accusations against them go away.

So the reality is going to be much, much worse.

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Something tells me these two groups are not mutually exclusive

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I hope not! Cops being on cannabis (even just when off duty) would probably save lives every day.

Cops on Cannabis - good band name!