Keep it simple

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Patch panel if you're on the closet side. RJ45 Jack on the station side.

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Who buys a $300 home wifi box? Be realistic

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Shitty wireless lets you stream shitty 4K. Yay? Copper is still king for anything that's not a goddamn webrip.

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If you arent sensitive to jitter, packet loss, etc., and the various ways games react to it, then im happy for you.

Personally, i and many others hate it. It only takes 1 rubber band moment in a shooter to ruin a round, it only takes 1 round to lose a match. Even if you aren't playing super sweaty, its not fun. Even my wife who only games casually noticed the difference between wireless vs wired in a few different shooters after i ran a wire to her new desk. And we do have a good setup overall.

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Dude, what you're describing is not a "good setup overall".

I know I'm not sweaty, but what you're talking about goes beyond being "sensitive" or not. Wtf is wrong with your wifi that you're getting any packet loss.

I just ran a speed test multiple times from my phone in another room, and got jitter under 20ms, and packet loss between 0% and 0.1%
My gaming PC with external antenna in the same room as my wireless AP is going to get even better results.

So I'm curious what kind of numbers you're expecting to be noticable to a casual or even sweaty non-pro player?

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It doesn't even cost that much for a decent wifi AP either.

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Wtf dude, that was the example you provided, and then you mocked it. Make up your mind.
If it was a shitty example, why did you use it?

What would be a good example of things people commonly want and have access to but that wireless cant do?

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And what is in the closet?

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MIMO improves throughput if you have an Internet link it can saturate; realistically even a midrange 2x2 802.11AC router will provide more wifi bandwidth than your internet does.

And that's where the fat controller says you are wrong. I have 1000 Mbps down. I've yet to actually hit that speed with WiFi 6.

Also newer WiFi standards significantly improve latency. That's nothing to do with having more antennas though you would be correct there.

The meme is correct. A $6 ethernet cable beats any and all wifi routers and client adapters, and always will.

With current technology you would be correct. But as for the always part: Ethernet is an electrical signal, so it's actually slower than microwave signals used by WiFi, and the WiFi signals can also take a more direct path. So in the future WiFi or LiFi could in fact be faster. It's the processing delay, and scheduling that makes WiFi have higher latency. Not the physical medium.

Before you say this is all academic because of the small distances involved I would remind you that propagation delay is actually a large issue in current microelectronics and computers. Sometimes parts of the same chip are far enough apart to create problems for the engineers due to the high clockspeeds of modern devices.

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Curve ball.... I use power line and for my property and in my use case it is not any different to ethernet.

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Honestly, my place isn't that big, but I can cover the whole place with a single wireless access point, and get fast, reliable, stable connection everywhere.

In the room with the AP (my home office and gaming PC) I have zero jitter, zero packet loss, and 2ms ping.

Wire hasn't been needed for a good connection for a long time

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Given the choice, I'd definitely choose a cable for anything I know will require high internet usage. Wireless is just too slow, even on a 5G connection.

I still remember I once broke my Windows installation (young me had tried dual-booting the Windows 10 beta and my Windows 7 installation). I had to get system restored discs from the manufacturer. It wasn't particularly tricky to fix, but it took a long time to download those Windows updates after it finished. I noticed an immediate change once I remembered I had an old 30 ft. ethernet cable lying around and plugged it in. (This was maybe 8-10 years ago.)

ZeroOne

Get reliable connection ?

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Usb dock and usb to phone. What, you guys dont use ethernet on your phones?

Racle

Depends on usage. If you don't need super fast speeds or low latency, go for cheaper model.

If you need low latency and high speeds (ex. Wireless VR with PC), you need to pay more to get good and stable connection (+ multiple routers as mesh if needed).
And more expensive devices have different CPU/RAM which will help you if you have large network + extra security features on.

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Nah, wifi is pretty good today. I just dont like the consumer devices like the router shown here. Recently redid my wireless and went with a non wifi router, a poe switch and a few access points, connected through ethernet. I wouldnt dream of going back to the conventional one wifi router.

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Oh shit, I had that exact router before. This is so true.

It wasn't a bad router, but way overpriced.

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They're saying 50Mbps 4k is shitty, not that 4k is a bad example. Modern Wi-Fi can definitely handle high-bitrate video 99% of the time, but that 1% where someone turns on a microwave can cause hella buffering. If you have the ability to run ethernet there's no benefit to using Wi-Fi.

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Usually a two post rack or swing cabinet, some UPS back up batteries, network switches, a chubby telecom guy browsing lemmy.

Ya know, the usual.

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Wifi 7 is insanely fast to point where it can easily be just as good as wired ethernet and can even beat a lot of the wired standards except the few latest ones. It's a good choice for devices where running a cable wouldn't be very practical, but you need wired level speed and reliability.