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JackGreenEarth

Killing billionaires is both immoral and won’t solve the problem. We need to kill the capitalist system that allows people to become billionaires.

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Do you think billionaires operate in a moral fashion? That their journey was one paved to the top by the ethical treatment of others?

Perhaps we need a new morality because I find that operating inside of prescribed moral bounds is shooting yourself in the foot when making this particular kind of argument.

You operate morally, they use every dirty trick in the book, including killing you.

JackGreenEarth

Just because some of them indirectly kill people doesn’t make it moral to kill them. Maybe if it actually would make the world better, you could have a utilitarian argument for it, but as long as you just kill individual billionaires and not creating a new socialist system they’ll just be replaced by new billionaires. As I said, regardless of whether it’s moral to kill them, it won’t help.

NOVA DRAGON

I also respectfully disagree. Tit for tat, taken to its logical conclusion, eradicates all life on the planet; if that’s your goal, fine, you can make that argument, but that’s ultimately a separate discussion. There were literal slaves and serfs around the time of the French Revolution—now you could make an argument that “wage slaves” or whatever exist in the first world, but that is pure abstraction when compared to the absolute widespread human suffering in France during the late 1700s. You would have to be entirely disconnected from reality to think that people, en masse, have it worse in first world countries than they did in France during the 1700s; that’s a “log off” moment, for sure. If you want to expand the scope to the world at large, then, yeah, there is some fucked up stuff going on, and people (millionaires, billionaires, &c. &c.) do hoard wealth, but murdering them is not the solution; that won’t even do anything to their accumulated wealth, as most of it is tied up in corporate assets; instead, harsh regulation needs to be enacted on the system that allows these people to accumulate obscene amounts of wealth. But instead, we have these very surface level takes that are just like “kill the billionaires”, which solves nothing and actually makes our side look insane, which hurts our cause—frankly, its stupid. Now, if you want to alter the claim to “the threat of violence is needed,” then I would be more inclined to agree; however, individually murdering certain billionaires is not productive; I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to match whatever vitriolic bullshit eye for an eye sentiment that these billionaires might have, and maybe that’s an idealistic take and naive, but it feels right.

Trailblazing Braille Taser

I prefer “eat the rich” as a metaphor for seizing their assets, not a literal endorsement of cannibalism. I’m actually surprised how many people literally mean “kill the rich”. Are you guys actual sociopaths?

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If you were a slave and I was your master, would killing me be murder?

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…yes? But, as all people and legal systems agree, there are times when murder is legal and endorsed.

NOVA DRAGON

Are you a literal slave? If you play with meaning, you can turn everyone into a slave and kill everyone. Is that what you want?

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Despite the downvotes, you are correct.

It’s asinine to even consider that a billionaire doesn’t have a will, let alone how awful it is to threaten a life.

They’d just be dealing with a younger, more entitled billionaire, who now wants to get revenge on the people that murdered their parent or benefactor. See Lachlan Murdoch, Charles Koch, any of the Waltons, etc. for example.

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Oh OK we’ll just do that then

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It will absolutely solve the problem,.

People dont want to die > People stop doing things that make others want to kill them > Success

It might have many unintended negative and positive consequences but you wont have any more billionaires very quickly if people literally killed anyone as soon as they amassed more than 1 billion dollars.

It would basically result in a voluntary 100% tax of anything over 1 billion because they dont want to die.

Sadly it will never happen because too many people would die in the process of getting there by the hands of people easily influenced by the billionaires money. (i.e. Police, Private Military, etc) But just a few martyrs would go a long way already and USAmericans have lots of guns.

All of this ofcourse only In Minecraft TM

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I’m actually surprised (not really) how many people can come this close to getting it, but still be so desperate to follow the rules they’ve set (E: where they can directly and indirectly kill millions a year for profit with impunity, but we’re not allowed to even say nasty things about them, never mind plan to fight back against them, without being considered dangerous terrorists), that you manage to convince yourself billionaires will just freely and willingly give over those assets and all of the power that comes with them one day once we’ve asked nicely enough…

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You’re being empathic towards people who have no empathy for you.

NOVA DRAGON

OK why don’t you go kill some billionaires then, instead of just fantasizing about it on the internet? Good luck and godspeed.

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How is recognizing the financial failsafes of billionaires empathetic? I’m employing logic.

Did you miss the entire point of my comment because I also condemned taking a life?

Trailblazing Braille Taser

I don’t think asset seizure going to be easy, but it’s going to be significantly more effective and safer for everyone than staging a new French Revolution.

If you’re truly advocating for murder on the internet (are you?), I don’t think there’s any point in trying to change your mind. I’m not “this close” to getting it — I already got it and rejected it.

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No, no, we can’t be mean to the rich, that will upset them 🥺

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Hey, it doesn’t all have to be work, work, work. Some fun is in order too.

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People are killed daily not so indirectly by billionaires. Overpriced medicine, Military industry, Unhealthy products, Monopolization of water and other resources and land, poisoning ground water with industrial waste, unsafe work conditions, the list is endless.

There is almost no billionaire that isnt responsible for someones death and in a moral world they would be in prison. So morals are already completely out of the window.

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Are you a vegetarian? Just curious.