Guns

Pavel Chichikov

reread your stuff. if you can't understand how it proves your own stupidity, then you really are hopelessly lost.

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Only insults then? Ok.

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Well, good luck with that!

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What? This is true but that’s not my point at all. I simply don’t care if they are military weapons or not. The entire point of the second amendment is for the citizenry to pose a threat against tyranny, which could include the military. Civilian ownership of effective weapons is part and parcel with that.

Do you really think an assault rifle is going to give you that critical edge against an f-16 or armored fighting vehicle vs a hunting style rifle? What kind of war do you think you will be fighting that this would actually make a meaningful difference?

Weapons were entirely different things when the second amendment was made, that is your interpretation of the second amendment that a fully kitted ar-15 with high capacity magazines fits the definition of what the writers of the constitution had in mind when the wrote the second amendment is and frankly it doesn't matter too much after a certain point if the writers of the constitution wrote this part of the law without ANY of the modern context of how much more violence a single person with a weapon can do in a short time.

Pavel Chichikov

only lack of logic then? ok.

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That 34% came from your data, feel free to search for the amount of carriers and choose your favorite estimate and use that, it's still lower than 34%. As for the motivations for "not stop with gun" think critically, it's simply more likely that if such a low percentage of people carry daily, there's a higher chance that nobody there has one at any given location/time (aside from expected locations like "gun store" or "police station" where of course the likelihood of the presence of guns jumps to 100%, but for some reason those are rarely targeted). Would you rather stop a shooter with a gun of your own or risk bare handing it?

Flying Squid

choose your favorite estimate

See above, re: unprovable assertion.

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Do you really think an assault rifle is going to give you that critical edge against an f-16 or armored fighting vehicle vs a hunting style rifle?

Do you really pay this little attention to history? If AFVs and fighter jets were some magic bullet, the wars in the Middle East and Asia would have been vastly different affairs. Resistance fighters don’t shoot down fighter jets, it’s a completely silly point to make.

frankly it doesn't matter too much after a certain point if the writers of the constitution wrote this part of the law without ANY of the modern context of how much more violence a single person with a weapon can do in a short time.

It was common at the time for private citizens to own warships heavily armed with artillery, and to get writs to be privateers (aka legal pirates). The founding fathers considered prototype repeating firearms for the military when fighting the British, and were aware of early attempts at semi auto or cartridge fed weapons.

A warship can kill a lot more people than an AR-15 and they clearly saw the potential for future firearms like it. So, once again, that point holds no water.

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You throw around a million women raped at gunpoint as if the guns are responsible, how many women are raped without guns by chance? Orders of magnitude more? Thought so. Of course I'm giving you flippant responses.

I'm not telling them I'm sorry for shit, I did nothing to them, I've raped nobody. I will tell them that the man was responsible not an inanimate object, and I'll teach them how to defend themselves with one if they want, but make no mistake it was a person that made the decision to rape and you shouldn't make excuses like "the gun made him do it."

Sure, a person made that decision, not a gun, don't make excuses for murderers either.

Oh you think just shooting dark figures is a good idea? Lol cool, you and your "real men" have fun killing innocent people by mistake then, alpha boy. I'll be over here with the betas and gun safety. You're a fucking joke lmao.

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Yes yes ignore any other data, I'm gonna be honest dude I don't actually care if you believe the data or not, you can look it up if you really care but you're clearly more interested in dismissing it so, have a nice day I guess, this little subthread has reached its logical conclusion, goodbye.

Flying Squid

I can't look up data that doesn't exist.

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Guns are meant to extinguish lives. The others are meant to save them.

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percent of americans carry guns at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

(duckduckgo.com)

Since you evidentially are unaware of the existence of search engines I'll provide this helpful link.

Now, if you just wholly reject the concept of estimates (lol but you do you) you can go with the raw "has CCW" number which is tracked, though low (due to constitutional carry/open carry), and would benefit my argument. Again IDGAF, 34% ain't that bad of a percentage for how few people carry whether you believe it or not, and you're clearly dead set on your preconceived notions that misrepresented data is good and estimates are bad (though there is the 8% of americans with verifiable CCW permits, that ain't no estimate), so again I must bid thee adeu.

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You vastly overestimate your own skills in that department, acid man.

Pavel Chichikov

said the man who couldn't refute literally any of my points (and clearly didn't understand most of them in the first place)

Flying Squid

Sorry, that doesn't prove that there were no armed people in the majority of those situations. That's not how statistics work. You made an unprovable assertion.

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I can refute them, but unfortunately you were already being insulting.

The problem of acid attacks is just that. A problem. One that people are actively trying to fix. Nobody thinks acid should not be regulated. Only the weirdest kind of psycho collects different vials of acid based on their ability to stop humans.

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Yes, they are. It's like demolishing dangerous construction. Guns to extinguish lives on firm trajectory to extinguishing yours are part of just guns to extinguish lives. When you solve this human problem with some technology or philosophy smart thing, let me know.

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Without the guns there would be a lot less rapes by gun. Just like there would be a lot less suicides, murders, etc. This doesn't even touch the surface of threats with firearms which are ridiculously common.

"Gun violence is a leading cause of premature death in the U.S. The rate of gun deaths has increased 34% from 2014 to 2023"

"Gun homicides: 19,651 people were killed by a gun in 2022, the second-highest number of gun homicide deaths ever recorded"

"Gun suicides: 27,032 people died by gun suicide in 2022, an all-time high"

These sound bad but once again it only scratches the surface. Congress has been cock blocking all efforts to research and quantify gun violence for decades literally defunding anyone who tries.

Yeah, I can see you are not sorry. It doesn't matter how many people suffer or die for your toys. I bet if a million people died from gun violence you would just shrug. This isn't even a thought excersise because over the last 20 years a million people have died.

Do you care? Fuck no. There are now more guns than humans in the US. If guns were the solution and not the problem we should have no crime to speak of. How many moar guns do we need to be safe Asinineallthetime?

Furthermore why does no other modern country have the problems we do. Perhaps the obvious is that Americans are uniquely pieces of shit that can't be trusted with guns? Or maybe it is just we refuse to regulate and make guns safer.

Your going to save millions of woman (4 million to be precise) every year from their abusive partners with guns? You gonna give them all guns and train them in the ways of self-defense!?

‘She’s gone forever': Mother fatally shot after her 2-year-old son finds loaded gun

Police say the victim's boyfriend is facing charges for storing a loaded handgun in "a negligent manner."

https://www.kbtx.com (www.kbtx.com)

Yeah we see how that turns out. For every law abiding intelligent and safe gun owner there are hundreds with loaded guns leaned next to their front door, under their pillow, under the seat of their car, in their purse, or jacket unsecured.

As the gun nutters always say, what is the point of a gun that is not loaded and ready to go.

Police: Father arrested after saying gun under his pillow went off, killing his 2-year-old son

The father told police he didn't hear the gun go off, but woke up and noticed his son was breathing differently.

KIRO 7 News Seattle (www.kiro7.com)

How many family members is it okay to die by firearms? How many more loved ones have to be sacrificed at the altar of gunsexuals!?

You also use one of the stupidest logic fallacies about guns. That without them people would still murder, rob, suicide etc. at the same rates. You ignore the convenience of firearms and how much more likely someone is to do something stupid with a gun than without.

I went to highschool with a lot of wanna be gangsters. Seeing how a young man acts with a gun compared to without one is eye opening. Every single boy I knew that emulated gangster lifestyle is dead now.

You haven't even shown up for this conversation. You are like some knuckle dragging dumbfuck on the sidelines shouting, "you need a flashlight so you can identify your target at night.". To which I respond what kind of made up fantasy world do you live in?

How many innocent's have you avoided killing because of the flashlight attached to your gun? Me even asking that questions shows how much of a fucking clown you are. The kind of person who should never own a firearm.

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He literally generated shit with an AI that made no fucking sense. I really wonder how far your head must be up your ass to applaud such stupidity.