The Secret of Universe

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So you admit that certain types of speech when used have consequences even though free spech exists.

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Nice, so you decided to use hate speech against him

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You are free to walk down the streets of Harlem with an "I hate niggers" sign. The law still protects you from assault or other actions that others may take against you. You may get fired from your job for such an action, but even then you would still have the right to pursue a wrongful dismissal case.

As for libel/slander. First of all, it's a civil issue, and you won't be jailed for it. Secondly, in the US it requires a significant burden of proof. A plaintiff must show it was more likely than not that:

there were actual damages.
the statements were false.
the person knew the statements were false.
the person intended the statements to be harmful.
There's also anti-SLAPP laws which provide additional protection from entities attempting to use a lawsuit to stop speech.

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No, it is an accusation. Hate speech would be calling him names based of ethnicity or some other quality they cannot change.

Way to show your lack of understanding.

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So you're saying there are consequences for using hate speech.

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In a way... I admit that ALL types of free speech when used can have SOME consequences.

The issue I have with your original statement is that you put all consequences in the same basket... With that logic you can say that freedom to vote does not mean freedom from consequences, therefore you can't complain that I try to indimidate anyone if front of the booth

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The issue I have with your argument is you have backtracked on the fact that consequences exist and I never mentioned who would be enforcing said consequences or what they would be.

You assumed what I meant, ran with it and now are complaining because you had to shift your position where the original statement I made still holds.

I said CONSEQUENCES, not what ones.

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Technically you have no influence on being a bastard

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This is why don't feed the trolls was a popular refrain. Those people want a response, and banning is a response. It's a tough line for moderation though, and why shadow banning exists.

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And the meaning has also shifted away from your parents not being wed when you are born.

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That you may have to get the justice system involved to support your rights. I suppose you can call that a consequence.

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So consequences exist for free speech. Thank you for finally getting on board.

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I know, I know

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I have not backtracked on anything... My very first comment explicitly says that "It protects you against SOME consequences (then I proceed to list some as an example)", which obviously implies that some others aren't protected by it... I also never mentionned who would be enforcing it...

I didn't care which consequences you thought about, and still don't. It's not what my comments are about.
My issue with your comment is you saying that freedom of speech doesn't protect hate speech because it doesn't give you freedom from ALL consequences. But freedom of speech gives the same protection to hate speech as any other form of speech.

I would have the same to say if that comment was :
"
-Freedom of speech includes talking about minorities oppression
-Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences you woke bastard
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Or any other topic.

I think I would agree with you on a lot of ideas, but using fallacious arguments is never helpfull.

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I say you aren't free from consequences and you assume alot.

Just stop.

You've conceded my point because you are trying to argue semantics.

There are consequences associated with the freedom of speech.

Everything you've said doesn't contradict it but supports the basic argument I made.

You really seem miffed due to the fact that I can just say with accuracy that you know there are consequences related to free speech.

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Oh gosh no one wants that feedback.

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What you interpret as me changing sides is just me agreeing with the relevant arguments you make.

You are the only one assuming my thoughts here. All I am saying since the beginning is that your argument doesn't contradict op's meme.
It is not a false statement, I never said as such, it simply doesn't contradict it, and using it to imply that op is racist is the issue at hand.

Freedom of speech does protect hate speech, that's an issue with it, and it merits to be discussed. Every right comes with drawbacks, and closing the discution in favor of circlejerking is never a good idea.

On that note I'm getting tired of this discussion too, so I'll stop there. Once again, I do not have a grudge against you or your ideas, I just hate seeing falacious arguments beeing aplauded all the time, but I guess that's unavoidable on social medias, no matter which. Have a nice day, and ty for this conversation.

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Dude, you conceded that speech has consequences. Regardless of what, who, when and how they are implemented.

I no longer understand what point you are trying to make.

You keep trying to put words into my mouth.

STOP

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Tell me you're a idiot without telling me.

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I should have been more clear that I'm not talking about a nazi rally in any arbitrary context, but specifically one in nazi germany.