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You'd be more accurate if you just called them a conspiracy theory wacko

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I get what you are saying, and I agree that it is accurate.

Doesn’t quite have the same pop though.

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It does mean freedom from a lot of consequences though, like getting harassed, beaten or incarcerated, or anything else beeing covered by law. In that sense, it does cover hate speech,

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That doesn't make sense. If someone at a Nazi rally shouted "actually Jews are alright" and got arrested for it, would you say that's compatible with free speech? Because while they might have experienced consequences, "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences", so since they were able to say what they intended to they had free speech?

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No it really doesn't.

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Nowhere in any writings about free speech does it mention that you are free from consequences.

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Why does he get arrested for shouting "actually, jews are alright"?

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no, it really doesn't, besides Americas interpretation of free speech is not universal either.

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A free human may live to their heart's content without infringing upon the freedom of a fellow human. As such, free speech includes expressing any opinion without infringing upon the freedom (or any other fundamental right) of a fellow human.
If those boundaries are, for whatever reason, crossed, the law will have to step in and decide who is in the right and who will have to suffer an infringement of their rights. This step is what differentiates a just state and law from an unjust state.

If you spread lies about a person ("The Czechs are poisoning our wells!"), the state may step in and stop this infringement of the victims rights by curtailing your freedom of speech. A less just state may let it slide, therefore permitting the infringement of the victims rights and (usually) protecting yours against counteraction.

Now tell me, is this so hard to understand?

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It's feedback that says: What you have said is unacceptable here and you have been shown the door because of your actions as we will not tolerate those actions.

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What the fuck do you think it means then? Because otherwise everyone, everywhere has the freedom to do everything, but for some of them you don't have freedom from consequences...

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You are never free from consequences.

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Except you are free from some consequences, that's exactly why there are laws in place, to delimit what you can do without retaliation, and what you cannot.

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So there are consequences with free speech?

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A better truism by someone actually wise is that there is no such thing as free speech.

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Yes, there are, some fairly harmless, some much more impactfull. Getting a dislike from a comment is a consequence, although very benign. Getting boycotted or banned from a platform is another consequence, which could be quite devastating.

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So you admit that certain types of speech when used have consequences even though free spech exists.

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Nice, so you decided to use hate speech against him

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You are free to walk down the streets of Harlem with an "I hate niggers" sign. The law still protects you from assault or other actions that others may take against you. You may get fired from your job for such an action, but even then you would still have the right to pursue a wrongful dismissal case.

As for libel/slander. First of all, it's a civil issue, and you won't be jailed for it. Secondly, in the US it requires a significant burden of proof. A plaintiff must show it was more likely than not that:

there were actual damages.
the statements were false.
the person knew the statements were false.
the person intended the statements to be harmful.
There's also anti-SLAPP laws which provide additional protection from entities attempting to use a lawsuit to stop speech.

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No, it is an accusation. Hate speech would be calling him names based of ethnicity or some other quality they cannot change.

Way to show your lack of understanding.