Scifi was created by neurodivergents and co-opted by normies.
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If we count Frankenstein as scifi...
Then stuff centuries earlier also count as scifi, and she's out of the discussion again.
I'm not sure I'd count Frankenstein, tbh. I think it's more horror than sci-fi.
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I'm not sure I'd count Frankenstein, tbh. I think it's more horror than sci-fi.
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I doubt it, but ok
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I don't refer to mary shelly. I do not distinguish her as the "inventor" of science fiction either. Rendering strange ideas in terms of esoteric disciplines to leverage the metaphorical augmentation or whatever is as old as humanity.
Okay. So what's the first work of science fiction to you?
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Okay. So what's the first work of science fiction to you?
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Much like all other creative endeavors
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Reasonable
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Then I suggest you accept the common interpretation that "Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheus", is at least the first modern work of sci-fi.
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LitRpg
I don't think this is new; The Sleeping Dragon by Joel Rosenberg was published in 1983 where players in a tabletop RPG get whooshed into the game world at the beginning of the book. Fun series.
Also, jumanji
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Much like all other creative endeavors
being so acoustic about languages you make a book that is a global hit
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Then I suggest you accept the common interpretation that "Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheus", is at least the first modern work of sci-fi.
I can tell this means a lot to you. I prefer science fiction tho.
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Greg Egan, Iain Banks and Sam Hughes are good stuff, if you haven't.
Also, there's this amazing new genre, "LitRpg". Basically fantasy where an rpg type videogame became real.
Most of it is the usual dreck but some of it goes hard sf, delving into the existential stuff.
A couple of the rationalists have even taken a swing.
Try
Mother of Learning
Death after death
Friendship is optimal
So ya, real development is still alive.
Sounds like isekai.
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If the authors believed magic and the gods to be real, would ancient works like The Epic of Gilgamesh or The Iliad count as science fiction?
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I don't really think so, unless you have a very broad definition of neurodivergence. In which case, yeah sure most all art is made by people who are not balanced happy individuals, now too. If you don't have that black hole of need inside you, you don't need to fill it.
HG Wells
Jules Verne
Mary Shelley
L Frank Baum
HeinleinThey seem like regular minded people just brilliant. I don't think of anyone as a "normie" though, my definition of normal is either it has to be broad enough to encompass a majority of the population, or it's meaningless because nobody is identical to anyone else, all broken in our own way and strong in our own way.
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The worm criticizes the hawk for crawling improperly.
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I don't really think so, unless you have a very broad definition of neurodivergence. In which case, yeah sure most all art is made by people who are not balanced happy individuals, now too. If you don't have that black hole of need inside you, you don't need to fill it.
HG Wells
Jules Verne
Mary Shelley
L Frank Baum
HeinleinThey seem like regular minded people just brilliant. I don't think of anyone as a "normie" though, my definition of normal is either it has to be broad enough to encompass a majority of the population, or it's meaningless because nobody is identical to anyone else, all broken in our own way and strong in our own way.
Black hole of need?
How about just different shapes of people, with differing tastes. Some obsess over money. Others over art.
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Black hole of need?
How about just different shapes of people, with differing tastes. Some obsess over money. Others over art.
Sure, but happy satisfied people aren't usually the ones who progress humanity forward in art or sport. I wouldn't describe it as neurodivergence, but do think it's the people who have a need that most of us don't.
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If we count stuff earlier than 1898 your statement is false from the jump
I never said we should...
I view the begining of scif as the 60s maybe late 50s.
My point was if you're taking it back to Shelly, by the same logic we'd have to take it back further. Which you apparently agree with?
I view the begining of scif as the 60s maybe late 50s.
If you're making a point about pulp sci fi, the golden era of sci fi was in the early 40s, and there was plenty of pulp sci fi in the decades before then.
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You know, you're both right.
modern sci-fi is indeed a collective thing that has evolved from its roots. The seed that grew into sci-fi was indeed Mary Shelley.
However, that depends on the term modern meaning something different from sci-fi as a whole, and when you cut off the start point of modern. If you count all science based fiction as modern, then Shelley is the defining origin.
