May 28, 2016

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Here's a fact that most people don't want to admit. The most hitler had to do with the holocaust was signing the papers that authorized it.

The concentration camps were never his idea. He didn't plan them. He didn't bother with them. He never even visited one. He DID sign the paperwork authorizing the funding of them, but that's as far as his involvement went. He still hated the jews, and felt no sympathy for their deaths. He just spent more time poorly planning war efforts, and doing drugs that today would be known as heroin and meth.

So I'm not defending him in any way. I'm just saying any thoughts of who was behind the holocaust should really be attributed to Heimlich Himmler (probably spelling his name wrong). He's the one who designed the holocaust. He was hitlers number two guy, and spent most of his days at concentration camps, designing new methods of "efficiency".

There were a LOT of evil nazis. Not just hitler. And the main takeaway that I want people to learn from this is that they were NOT monsters. Because once you seperate them from being human, you think of things in terms that it couldn't be repeated. That "people" are not capable of what they did. Don't seperate it by time period, or race, or religion, or sny other thing you can think of to block them off as not being human. They WERE people. They were evil people, but still people. Their thought process could be carried out today. It can happen again. And by thinking of them as monsters, you distance yourself from others who might have the same ideas in their mind. Wave the left hand to distract you from the autrocities of the right hand. All while reassuring you that you're not as bsd as the nazis. They were monsters! Meanwhile, you're mindlessly following a dictators orders to storm a home of a defenseless woman and infant baby. Then you and your soldier crew take turns sexually raping the 7 week old baby until it died, and then you continued.

Is that too graphic? Good. It shows YOU have empathy. If you read that, and got angry, or offended, good. That's a natural reaction, because that happened. That's what russian soldiers in 2022 did to a Ukrainain woman and her baby. The russian government gave them medals. And people in russian social media at the time said "The soldiers were just following orders".

So if you ever need proof that the nazi mindset can happen in any government, in any time period, in any country, just think of what they were doing. Just following orders. Then look up the Nuremberg Trials, and try to spot the similarities in their defense.

The only thing that needs to happen for evil to continue, is for good men to say nothing.

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The idea that we need war for progress is dumb.

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Counter argument : ww2 was completely irrelevant to all post war progresses, war against communism, which was a mortal threat to capitalism, was the key factor.

During the cold war, capitalism had to provide comfort and progress to people, or people would have turn communist. And so it did. Until it basically won in the 70s.

The idea that society needs war or competition incentive to do anything is the dumbest liberal mind fuck of today. It's completely wrong, but it goes with the ideology that dominates.

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Hitler still was crucial for the nazis to take power. His political wits was much higher than any other nazi. He did turn the nazi party from an irrelevant extremist group to a force that could seize power. He didn't do it alone. But pretending that nothing would change without him is like pretending Caesar or Napoléon weren't mandatory to their deeds.

Hitler definitely couldn't do what he did alone. But he was definitely a pivotal factor to make History what it was.

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You could reinvent computers while you are there

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It is, but that particular war certainly accelerated the advancement of computers and nuclear energy. Turing and his team were so motivated because what they did helped save lives. I'm a software engineer and what I do... helps mostly small and medium sized manufacturing companies be more efficient. Yeah I'm not gonna be pulling 20 hour days here.

Oppenheimer was Jewish. Hitler was exterminating Jews. I think you can see why he and many of the other people with Jewish backgrounds were so eager to work on the Manhattan project.

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This is the premise for the Red Alert series in Command and Conquer - Stalin becomes the aggressor when Hitler was wiped

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And Newton and Einstein had none of these motivations. Galileo neither.

You compare with your situation, but it has nothing to do with befote. Not because we're not at war, but because we live in a capitalist distopia. Because capitalism won the war.

All the discoveries you're talking about could be motivated by the thirst of knowledge or making the world a better place. But the only single motivation we have left today is making money for our overlords, that is the key change.

It is not that war fuels discoveries, it is that greed does not, and greed is the only allowed motivation in our society. The only one that will receive money anyway.

Take Internet as an example : it was funded because of war and fear, but those who made it only had hope and naivity to make it, which is why it is so insecure, and why so much is done since 20 years to lock and dominate it.

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All the discoveries you’re talking about could be motivated by the thirst of knowledge or making the world a better place. But the only single motivation we have left today is making money for our overlords, that is the key change.

Huh? Plenty of people still doing R&D for free (open source software folks for one; scientists without grants are also nearly working for free sometimes). Capitalism hasn't killed innovation, only biased it towards things that generate money, but there's still plenty of innovation just because they have a thirst for knowledge.

But say you're already working on something you find interesting. Now you're told that if you keep going at it, you could save millions of lives. Are you not going to put in 10x effort? I know I would. I reckon most people would.

You act like I said that war is the only motivation for research besides capitalism. I did not. I said it accelerates scientific advancement. The direness of the situation is what fuels people to go beyond their usual limits. A lot of people just work better under pressure. You can do things that are not in any way healthy for you long term if you're under enough pressure.

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We didn't deserve such

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You're being downvoted, yet evidence is outer clear that a great many technology advancements have directly derived from conflict pressures. We'd get the same effect if it weren't for fucking small-government, low tax shit-for-brains, but we don't. When vast, collective resources are poured into a field, it generates a lot of waste but also a lot of progress. Progress isn't impossible without war, but historically we see far more advancement during times of war than during times of peace.

If we ever cure cancer, it'll be because we had a war and, during the development of some weapon, the huge concentration of resources resulted in discoveries that someone noticed - as a side effect - happened to cure cancer. It'll never happen without a war because there's no private sector motivation to cure cancer: there's too much money and industry invested in treating cancer.

You're essentially right.

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Cell phones will never come about because I went back in time and killed a mass murder.

-written from your cellphone

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Ahh, just like the old Reddit. Thanks!

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I'm pretty sure there's no evidence of war accelerating research beyond the effect of funding research more.

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We were almost done with the Harambe timeline. But some dumbasses in NY had to kidnap and kill an internet famous squirrel named P'Nut.....Now we're an openly fascist country.

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Hey! That's the combo to my luggage!

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Screw Harambe, I want to see the alternate timeline where Hannibal and Carthage won.

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War itself doesn't, pressure and motivation does. War causes pressure and motivation. Humans thrive under pressure. It puts you in hyperfocus mode, which makes you way faster at getting anything done.

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No. Humans don't thrive under pressure. This is merely a totalitarian idea.