This world is turning out less like the movie Idiocracy and more like the series Continuum.

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the next world war might claim a billion or more

That’s still just 1 out of 8. You’d barely notice.

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Brawndo, its what plants crave

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When did I say that only certain types of people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce?

I'm antinatalist, I don't think anyone should be allowed to being life into the world, which is filled with so much suffering, without the consent of the child.

Regardless, I was just disputing the claim that intelligence is in no way a heritable trait.

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No, the scene is about how the wealthy people wait for the best financial opportunity to afford their kid the best while the dumb people just have kids. The wealthy folks wait too long and have no kids.

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Anyone who thinks violence never changes anything has never opened a history text.

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It might be worth pointing out there are two sci-fi shows called "Dark Matter".

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4159076/ <-- This is the crazy fun space sci-fi show from 2015 that ended abruptly. This is the one I think you referenced.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt19231492/ <-- This is the more somber sci-fi show from 2024 with the focus on dimensional travel. It is good, but I prefer the other.

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Your point, like many similar, misses the fact that idiocracy is MANY cycles in before they attempt to right the ship. There is at least an entire population of adults in there that seemed to have been born into the already broken world and developed wholly inside of it (and probably several generations). Not a lot of "Back in my day" in that world, because back in "that day" everyone was already a fucking moron.

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A lot of people conflate "knowledge" and "intelligence." Not the guy you replied to, they seem like a troll; but still, a lot of people.

Our ancestors had intelligence in spades. They figured out an insane amount of stuff just to survive; and it's not too far back in the grand scheme of things that they had to remember it all because they had no way to record it. The first caveman to make a handaxe had absolutely no idea what he was doing, but they figured it out. Wheels, bows, fire, the entire concept of agriculture... They figured out how all of that worked from scratch, with no reference material.

Modern humanity builds on that with knowledge. We've figured out how to record everything our ancestors discovered, and all of our new discoveries as well. We've put men on the moon, figured out how to make electricity from things like waterfalls and glowing rocks, and almost everyone has a tiny computer in their pocket.

None of that means that we're more intelligent now, though. All of that knowledge is iterative, so we've just been applying that same intelligence at a continually higher level throughout history.

Ech

You're defending eugenics.

Ech

The movie is about how "dumb" people outbred "smart" people and it ruined the planet/humanity. Replace those traits with the races of your choice or any other genetic trait and tell me if you're still OK with that narrative.

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Try this story about 'intelligence'

Eurema's Dam

Ebook Eurema's Dam is about Won the Hugo Award for Best Short Story in 1973.

EbooksLib.org (ebookslib.org)

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The scariest part about this comment that it barely sounds like fiction.

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Race isn’t the result of choices but being less educated certainly is to some degree a function of choice. Your suggestion of replacing a trait that involves choices with one that is not chosen at any level is a false equivalence.

Ech

How exactly is it treated as a choice in the movie?

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Our ancestors had intelligence in spades. They figured out an insane amount of stuff just to survive;

The idea of "surviving" doesn't even come into play in the evaluation of other species. Stupid as hell species survive for thousands of years on Earth, that's how conducive it is to life. You seem to have some unfounded civilized cavemen POV on our ancestors when really we're still all apes + advanced language.

The dawn of civilization wasn't us going from some lone person survival style steam game where we came into the world solo dolo in a pair of underwear.

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The apocalyptic scenario depicted in the movie is suggested to be brought about by failing to encourage the correct couples to reproduce. Implying that certain people for certain reasons are unworthy because their progeny are not suitable stewards of the planet.

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You know how you can choose to pay attention in class and do the work and ask for help when needed? If you don’t do any if that you’ll end up dumb and that is a result if your choices

Ech

Setting aside the ableism of your reply, it still in no way relates to how intelligence is treated in the movie that is being discussed.

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Dumb isn’t ableist really. It used to refer to mute people but it hasn’t been used for that purpose in decades. Nice try at another bullshit claim. You like those don’t you?

You misunderstood the first scene completely to the point where I wonder if your sensitivity to this bit is because of your own perspective on where you sit intellectually or financially. You can decide on your own how much of that is the result of your educational choices.

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I'm going to have to go watch the movie again, but I don't recall any message that the state created (or failed to stop) the "idiotization" of the populace.

The overarching message seemed to blame rampant consumerism, not evolutionary pressure.