Kroger's using AI to fuck over people's ability to budget for groceries.
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Kroger's using AI to fuck over people's ability to budget for groceries.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/surge-pricing-facial-recognition-surveillance-grocery-stores/
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Fi, infosec-aspected 🏳️⚧️replied to Fi last edited by
Here's a hint: offering "targeted coupons" to some people but not others?
is exactly the same as raising prices for some people but not others.
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Fi, infosec-aspected 🏳️⚧️replied to Fi last edited by
As anyone who's ever worked out firewall exceptions can fucking attest.
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Fi, infosec-aspected 🏳️⚧️replied to Fi last edited by
I also very much would like to know who is backing this facial recognition tech on their end.
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Fi, infosec-aspected 🏳️⚧️replied to Fi last edited by
Like, I've -been- in a situation where I had to walk through the store and add up the costs for each item to make sure I'd be able to afford to eat.
That is -not- a situation where fucking random-ass price skewing is -helpful-.
Predictability of food pricing is a psychological safety issue.
If you fucking -change shit- on someone without notice?
You're playing mind games and damaging their mental health. This is gaslighting; this is abuse; this is a deliberate action by Kroger to harm the mental health of people who are already in a precarious situation.
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@[email protected] "surge pricing", also known as "gouging",
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Asta [AMP]replied to Fi last edited by [email protected]
@[email protected] people without empathy and/or people who have never had food insecurity (or have known people who had it and who talked about it), that's for sure
which, you know, now that I think about it, I wonder if high tech salaries exist so that workers remain in a high salary bubble where it is impossible to form empathy with those impacted by the tech because they'll never meet anyone like that. -
@[email protected] once, before COVID, when I worked at Cray I saw some fellow coworkers just chatting and I jokingly said "if you have time to lean, you have time to clean!" and they were just like... ... ... what? they'd never heard that, joke or no. because they'd never worked a service or low-wage job in their life.
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@[email protected] I know I'm going off on a tangent, now, but Canonical specifically selects for these types of employees with their demands for education records. They want to see that you've been "highly ranked" against your peers at some point. This is sexist, racist, homo- and transphobic, classist, ableist... the list goes on. I know other companies don't necessarily have this type of formal requirement, but when tech companies talk about "wanting the best", they're using coded or not so coded language for the type of people who just don't interact with people outside of their sphere. It's a hell of a lot harder to form empathy with people you don't even realize exist, I suspect.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] yeah... it kinda just struck me. I'm almost kind of afraid to look up and see if there's any backing to that sort of thing.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] ughhh, that's true.
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@aud @munin one of our standard lenses these days
"from a cybernetic perspective, could this emerge organically from the incentives the relevant power structures are subject to, rather than through human will?"it's annoying, but if the answer is "yes" it helps us focus on ways of talking about it that are a lot more productive than trying to prove malicious intent
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@[email protected] @[email protected] This seems like something good for me to keep in the back of my mind. Just as people who fall prey to structural problems aren't individually to blame... assuming that people are maliciously propagating unfair power structures is probably not going to help me change anything or make friends. We're unfortunately often unknowing agents of the forces around us.
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@[email protected] I think I called this them "outsourcing" the bias, which, well, is true. That's what they're doing. They claim fairness, but then ask for records that are not only intrinsically biased, they are biased against who you were up to twenty years before you applied, and even the existence of the records is biased itself.
You can't say you're being fair while using a biased metric provided by an outside source. You just cannot. -
@[email protected] (it's been over a year since I went through this and I am still very salty about them wasting months of my time only to demand my non-existent high school records).
