For those of us foreseeing that "things are going to get very bad," Sherrilynn Ifill offers some valuable pragmatic tips about surviving

therieau

@wdlindsy This is probably a good spot to share a link to the privacy tools page on the @eff site. Lots of great stuff here.

https://www.eff.org/pages/tools

lolonurse

@wdlindsy @Nonya_Bidniss
I'd be screwed.

Philip Cardella

@wdlindsy @MoiraEve even if this is a pessimistic appraisal everyone needs to come to grips with the fact that it's a very possible outcome. Given it's possible, likely even, we have to prepare as if it's certain.

William Lindsey :toad:

@philip_cardella @MoiraEve I agree.

William Lindsey :toad:

@lolonurse @Nonya_Bidniss Same for me.

William Lindsey :toad:

@therieau @eff Thank you for this helpful information.

William Lindsey :toad:

@lolonurse So it appears, doesn't it?

William Lindsey :toad:

@lolonurse I don't read her that way, myself. I think as a well-informed an African-American woman, she's likely well-informed about the struggles many of us have to set some money aside. I suspect she's also very aware of the strength her own community has shown historically at supporting one another, pulling together to combat oppression, scrimping and saving in family units and larger communities to gather money to sustain folks during crises.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Nonya_Bidniss I honestly do think about this possibility — as one whose income is almost entirely limited right now to SS, though my spouse keeps bringing in income for both of us in retirement by taking contract work.

Nonya Bidniss :CIAverified:

@wdlindsy I have to hope that crashing the banks would be against the oligarchs' interests...as to our fixed incomes, I don't trust the Republicans at all.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Nonya_Bidniss Yes — and even today, I can hear my grandmother telling me that when the banks shut down as the Depression hit, she and my grandfather realized five cents on every dollar they had saved. I know what can happen since I heard those stories right from my grandmother, about the hardship that ensued for so many people.

Nonya Bidniss :CIAverified:

@wdlindsy When my mom was little they pretty much lived on catfish they caught and potatoes. All this can easily happen again and remember, this is Bannon's entire plan. I don't know how well that meshes with the Heritage nuts but I can tell one thing, I think we're gonna see.

lolonurse

@wdlindsy
I've always had a lot of respect for her (although her cousin Gwen was my favorite). (& long ago, I had a professional colleague who was a cousin of theirs). But it seems to me that successful immigrants & their kids can be a bit harsh, or maybe not quite understanding of poor Americans. I saw it in my family- "just work hard, apply yourself, don't slack off"... they'd be horrified (not so much sympathetic) if they could see me now!

MoiraEve

@wdlindsy Taking a walk w/ your friends is one of the best things you can do right now!

William Lindsey :toad:

@MoiraEve I very much agree. Great therapy — both physical and mental.

William Lindsey :toad:

@lolonurse Yes, I loved Gwen Ifill — and didn't know how they were connected, though I knew there was a connection. Thanks for explaining it to me. I do think something that people from long-oppressed communities understand — from experience — is that it takes more than an individual to make it through hard times. And I do think this is the background behind her counsel to put some money aside. A little story to illustrate my point: my brother has only days to live. He's in Brooklyn.

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William Lindsey :toad:

@lolonurse I'm in Little Rock, of course. I'm not planning to go to NY, because he has a large circle of family members and friends around him, and I feel I'd be in the way — and, honestly, not too welcome. Our relationship has long been strained.

But friends of mine, an African-American couple, who heard about my brother called me on the weekend and said that they wanted to give me money to fly to NY if I chose to do that. I was deeply touched. I have money for the flight, if I chose to go.
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William Lindsey :toad:

@lolonurse As I say, I'm not going to go. We call my brother and talk to him every day that he's willing to answer to the phone, so I'm in touch. And I'm, needless to say, concerned, grieving, connected heart to heart even though I'm not there physically.

But my point: embedded in my friends' African-American experience is that very practical impulse to assist people in the way they need assistance at the time they need it. These are people who grew up poor, too.

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William Lindsey :toad:

@Nonya_Bidniss Yes, some folks don't realize how recently it was — 1930s — that some Americans were actually hungry. My grandmother was widowed in 1930, left with six children of her own and a step-son to raise, and hardly any money. Fortunately, she inherited my grandfather's store in a small town, so she was able to scrape by and feed her family, with a big garden, a milk cow, a hog, and chickens to help keep food on the table. But others in her town were hungry.

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William Lindsey :toad:

@Nonya_Bidniss When she found a neighbor child had eaten only an onion in an entire day — her family had nothing else — she began feeding that little girl. Her brother on a small farm down the highway, with many children of his own to feed, learned that a neighboring family did not have enough food for its children, and he made a point of feeding those children, two of whom grew up to be well-known country-music stars. People got by by helping each other.

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