I wonder if fedi's gonna grapple with the fact that one of the most popular posts on the network currently, made by one of the biggest account on the network, is just blatant misinformation

Laurens Hof

Fedi.Tips (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image I've had a lot of people ask how BlueSky compares to Mastodon and the Fediverse. I've tried to make the answer as simple and easy to understand as possible: 🦋 BlueSky is designed to give corporations and wealthy people full control of the network. All of its traffic has to flow through expensive-to-run corporate relays. :Fediverse: The Fediverse is designed to give ordinary people control of the network. All of its traffic flows directly from one cheap-to-run server to another. #FediTips

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Daniel Supernault

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Brad Koehn

@laurenshof As someone who wrote an ActivityPub server and studied the AT spec, I don’t see any misinformation in the post from @FediTips

Laurens Hof

@bkoehn

It is literally twice as expensive to run a single-person Mastodon server via masto.host for my main account than it is to run a full network atproto relay for a single consumer

Laurens Hof

@bkoehn

the statement "servers cannot communicate with each other" is just so misrepresentative of how atproto actually works. there are no servers like there are on activitypub!

atproto has centralisation risks, but they look very different from activitypub because the network topology is just so radically different. the excessive focus on relays is just not helping at all, because thats not where the actual problem is

Adam Nelson

@laurenshof @bkoehn This confuses me, though maybe I haven't done enough research on ATProto or I'm misunderstanding the terms. Doesn't an ATProto relay need to download the entire history of the network, requiring terabytes of storage space? Or is there a way around that?

Laurens Hof

@arnelson @bkoehn

it used to, not anymore. there is now a distinction between archival relays and non-archival relays. Archival relays indeed store the entire network history, but it turns out that this is a very different purpose from the relaying of data from pds to appviews

for the network to function you simply need the firehose, and that turns out to be really cheap

building an offsite archive of the entire network also has its uses, but its not related to the function of the relay

Laurens Hof

@arnelson @bkoehn

Eric (@edavis.dev)

archival or non-archival? I've got a non-archival one running on OVHCloud for $23/mo, and that's including the mushroom PDSes

Bluesky Social (bsky.app)

Eric runs a firehose stat site, and now runs those stats of his own relay, not a bsky relay, for 23 dollars per month

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Lutin Discret

@laurenshof yes. I hoped someone legit replied.

Reading "BlueSky is designed to give corporations and wealthy people full control of the network"... well if that was the case, they would have designed a good old silo, that would have cost less time, energy, code and complexity. Fedi.tips is good but this one post is lame.