Figure I should post this here as well.
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One of the points I make in https://privacy.thenexus.today/consent-for-fediverse-developers/#opportunity is that today's mechanisms are very klunky. When @[email protected] decided to make Bridgy Fed opt in he had to roll his own mechanism ... that's not easy! So there's a real opportunity to do better here.
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> I kind of agree with everybody here
It's that plurality thing again, huh?
But yes I do agree there is a ways to go and change must be handled with care and consideration. Take it slow and steady. Move slow and mend things, etc.
Say, did you hear the interview with Audrey Tang? Absolutely fascinating and many resonances with what we're talking about here.
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@mmasnick @markdarb @evan I do think that there are some practical things the ATProtocol folks can do to make bridging between them and AP cleaner: the very dead simplest one is change their post size to 500 characters.
And I do think folks on the fedi allergic to bridging have plenty of means and agency to block it and only a (albeit loud) 5 percent would. Most would welcome a robust bridge to BlueSky.
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I very much appreciate your blog. I'm subbed in my RSS reader and always happy when a new post drops. I've learned a lot from it.
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This rings true. It was a definite subset that were riled up, but that's cool, they have every right and ability to block such bridges at will. But I agree most - to my experience 90 percent plus, welcome it.
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@damon @hallenbeck Agree with Damon on how that went down, and that Ryan handled it with great grace and care.
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@hallenbeck @mackuba @markdarb @mmasnick @mike @snarfed.org
Yes exactly this. Each server can have its own opt-in or out rules -- as long as they state it clearly.
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It's that plurality thing again, huh?
I vaguely recall a joke one of my older relatives used to tell about their rabbi (who like all rabbis in these jokes is wise and long-suffering) ... two people were both upset at him because he refuses to take a side in their dispute and he keeps saying they're both right, the punchline is him sighing heavily and says "you're right, you're right, you're both right ..."
I haven't heard that interview, thanks for sharing ... she's very astute, looking forward to it!
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oh blush ... thanks! always nice to hear! @[email protected]
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Yeah really. Well said. This attitude has real consequences to the Fediverse as a whole.
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@tchambers @mackuba @markdarb @mmasnick @mike @snarfed.org
Exactly that
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Idk if Ryan is open to changing that, he wrote this before the launch https://snarfed.org/2024-01-21_moderate-people-not-code
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I appreciate the Apache license protections for those who use your software; that's not enough.
You need to make a written pledge as an organization that any patents you make on the work you do are freely licensed. Right now, you're putting everyone in the space at risk. We don't know if you're going to overreach and patent distributed social networking, or user profiles, or whatever.
Fortunately, you have one of the smartest patent defenders on the planet on your board.
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@deadsuperhero Hey, Sean. So, I want to address your issues directly.
First, you and your team have decided to cover both the Fediverse and Bluesky. I understand why you'd do that, and I don't think I've given you a hard time about it at all.
I've made a different decision about how I'd like to spend my time and energy. Could you maybe treat my decision with the same respect that I treat yours?
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I don't, actually, cuss people out, insult them, or attack them when I talk about protocols.
I make the simple point that protocols are a social, not a technical, issue; that competition between products is a good thing and competition between protocols is a bad one; and that protocols that are defined in open standards bodies are vastly superior for general use than proprietary protocols defined by a single company.
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@deadsuperhero That's a hard message to hear if you're making a proprietary protocol startup, I know. And if you've invested your time and reputation on their ecosystem.
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@deadsuperhero The re-framing that Bluesky uses, instead, is that there is a vast field of social networking protocols, all effectively equal in standing, and that the comparisons to be made are technical rather than social.
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@deadsuperhero @mmasnick.bsky.social wants to frame social networking protocols as a Pinewood Derby where lots of earnest competitors are trying their dangedest to make the fastest little car.
He's not willing to face the fact that he's on the board of a company that is trying to enclose the commons, and that it's a very risky strategy.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by [email protected]
@deadsuperhero I really dislike how much you erase other people, companies, and organizations in the ActivityPub space when you talk to me. AP is not "my" protocol; it very literally belongs to all of us. Hundreds of people have edited, implemented, documented and debugged the ActivityPub protocol and API, and it's really unfair to try to make it all about me.
