Maven, a new social network backed by OpenAI's Sam Altman, found itself in a controversy today when it imported a huge amount of posts and profiles from the <a href="https://social.wedistribute.org/tag/fediverse">#Fediverse</a>, and then ran AI analysi...
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Maven, a new social network backed by OpenAI's Sam Altman, found itself in a controversy today when it imported a huge amount of posts and profiles from the #Fediverse, and then ran AI analysis to alter the content.
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@hello Wait, they *altered* the content? What the actual?!?
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As a public social media system that is also federated (which opens more issues like this) … this was surely coming (for a while too) and will probably happen again.
In the age of AI, open social media like the Fedi may just be redundant,
maegul (@[email protected])
Question for the #fediverse about how we relate to new #llm #AI: If you find the free extraction of value from the internet for the training of for-profit disrupting AIs problematic, and, Are fond of the #fediverse … How do you feel about the fact that the fediverse can and is being scraped (try searching Google)? It’s in the nature of the technology (right?) which is arguably only a minor step toward decentralised internet participation. Is the #fediverse already showing its age?
Hachyderm.io (hachyderm.io)
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And, as a thought experiment about what open and humane social media might look like without decentralisation/federation:
maegul (@[email protected])
Is decentralised federated social media over engineered? Can't get this brain fart out of my head. What would the simplest, FOSS, alternative look like and would it be worth it? Quick thoughts: * FOSS platforms intended to be big single servers, but dedicated to ... * Shared/Single Sign On * Easy cross posting * Enabling and building universal Multi-platform clients. * Unlike email, supporting small servers No duplication/federation/protocol required, just software. #fediverse @[email protected]
Hachyderm.io (hachyderm.io)
Basically:
- FOSS for transparency and diversity
- walled/closed platforms for safety and privacy
- Trust based inter-op between instances/platforms
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Opt-In and consent seem like they are one of the defining cultural aspects of the fediverse.
I am not opposed to my answers to climate change being used in llm answers. But I am absolutely opposed to these expert answers on that topic having equal weight to everyone else’s.
Thus attribution is crucial.
for classic regressions, weighting input data on uncertainty is common. Why don’t llm do something so obvious as well?
Can someone explain?
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If anything is redundant, it's the VC derivative content. Tech VC is a national scale shoplifting syndicate with hedge fund backing.
In the nested systems of our financial ecosystem VC sits near the center of a money ecosystem. They exist *because of* all the
things they depend upon, not the other way around. The cow exists because of the grass. Not the other way around. VC exists because of all the opportunities to steal already having capital allows them.What your asserting is as stupid as saying grass exists because of cows. The grass appreciates the bullshit, but it's not going away without it. Frankly, your post is more DARVO bullshit. While appreciate the gesture, it wouldn't be missed.
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I don’t appreciate your rudeness.
By “redundant” I meant “not keeping up with the tech privacy and monopoly issues of today”, not, as you may have interpreted, a bad idea that should be given up on.
If you think scraping our Internet activity for data mining or ai training is going to disappear, fine. I think it’s a perennial issue that will plague 2010s era social media.
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@kissane @hello Squint at that right, and it might seem like "just metadata" but that's a slippery slope, isn't it?
I'm about 95% sure the only reason they'd get into the social space is those sweet, sweet probably-organic tokens for additional LLM training, so I'm not inclined to believe they're doing anything in good faith. But so far the mistakes they're making seem like stuff I might also do. The difference being, I suppose, my lack of money and I-own-you-anyway attitude.
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@hello We believe the "DM" in question was actually posted by the author as public before deleting and re-sending as a private mention. There is no mechanism by which private mentions could be exposed to third party servers.
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@vivtek @hello I mean, metadata matters a lot. I just think it’s not quite “content” so I quibbled about that but I don’t like any of what Maven seemed to be doing.
If it were a project by a random person I’d tend to offer the benefit of the doubt but less so for a company that looks so extractive…but then again, given the OpenAI/Altman connect, this is may just be what happens when you ask chat gpt to write an AI-enhanced social network.
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@kissane @hello The tags kinda look like metadata, but they're not - they really are content.
But yeah, if *I* did this, nobody would notice or care - so I'm reading a lot more of the Fediverse than my current readers have subscribed to, so what? But when a well-funded offshoot of the tech oligarchy does it, then it's de facto problematic, because they *don't* have the best interests of the Fediverse or anybody on it in mind. They just don't.
You joke about "what happens when you ask ChatGPT",
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@kissane @hello but what makes ChatGPT ChatGPT is in fact that it faithfully both reflects and embodies the values of <waves hands> I dunno, the tech broligarchy? The whole "I'm smarter than the average bear so it's OK if I cheat a little or a lot because if it benefits me it will certainly benefit everyone because reasons" attitude.
ChatGPT is what it is because the broligarchy literally can't see why that's not a valid way to act. Truth? What even *is* truth?
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