I don't share networking posts lightly. But I just had such an interesting poignant call with someone who feels stuck in web dev freelancing but has an amazing background in theology, ethnography, analytical philosophy and is so struggling to be seen f...
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@grimalkina He might read some things Marty Cagan has written, and if that resonates, try to connect to the people and companies in his orbit.
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@grimalkina very few industries actually value systems thinking. Most people don't understand how to think about it.
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@jenniferplusplus @grimalkina
As a related idea, platform engineering and/or an internal developer platform engineer might be a great fit for someone who cares about improving people's lives (systems too) while using that web experience in a practical way.Why your Internal Developer Platform needs a backend
Every internal developer platform needs a proper backend, and it’s vital to start by designing and building that before you worry about anything else.
(platformengineering.org)
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@gregdosh @grimalkina Maybe. I know that there are quite a few people who are invested in making platform engineering inherit the mantle of devops. But from what I can tell, it's trying to do so without the caring about yourself and your colleagues that was the genuinely important part.
So it's more about forming a kind of pseudo-vendor relationship between the business and the people who do the glue work.
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@gregdosh @grimalkina
OTOH, I'm doing little more than reading tea leaves, because the actually meaningful dynamics are hyper-specific to individual companies, executives, and even managers.And people adopt whatever title seems to be in vogue, no matter what.
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@jenniferplusplus @grimalkina No doubt you're right! I'm absolutely in line with the fact that the best IDP will fail if it doesn't take humans at the core of the build-out. And that corporations are made up of people. And for a corporation to thrive the people need to be able to thrive FIRST.
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@jenniferplusplus @grimalkina And actually in that line of thinking. I feel like it was DevOps back in the day because it touted a way to increase developer productivity but it focuses on processes and metrics and leaves the human element entirely off the table. I recently hate read "The Phoenix Project" and made note of the lack of human/developer support through this monumental change. Entirely absent in that novel and I suppose the DevOps Handbook will follow suit but haven't personally verified that.
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@gregdosh No argument that the phoenix project is deeply flawed.
But for the rest? That was not my experience of the devops movement at all. It was always about opening communication and making people more aware of needs and constraints from both their upstream and downstream colleagues.
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@jenniferplusplus I'm needing to tone down my passion and add a lil context. Apologies.
Many many many people got it and it clicked for orgs. I love that for those spaces and places. Rock on!
My experiences came shaped by working in the trenches of coaching teams on what it means to operate in that mindset or way of working. Fundamentally I disliked the books vision because there is an unwritten presumption of a healthy organization ready for change. Change is scary and hard for people and the books and movements take an approach that doesn't give support to the humans who lives are changing and need help navigating the existential stuff that night not be available in unhealthy orgs.
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@gregdosh ah, yes. That is certainly also true