Why does GNOME have a bad reputation?

[aks@scalie.zone]

@soller @BrodieOnLinux @tripplehelix with the barely 2% market share we do not have the option of saying "my way or highway" to app devs. Sometimes workarounds and fixes for super esoteric bugs is needed.

Even windows has fixed bugs that happen with specific games for example (in leaked old source codes etc).

I recently fixed a bug that happened because application used kde-open wrong, which ended up in a forever loop. So instead of going "buggy app" i made sure the kde-open cant get stuck in a loop like that, and instead we show the user "select an app to open this file with" dialog.

Technically the app was wrong. But this allowed us for better UX in the long run and avoid this situation in the first place.

edit: IMO in the end the only thing that matters is the user and their experience. Not even standards can win over user experience. (Okay there are nuances of course but I still stand by this in general)

[brodieonlinux@mstdn.social]

@aks @soller @tripplehelix With decades of Windows developers sort of doing whatever they want, exploiting holes in standards that were never fully defined, and then the even longer history of X11 allowing for some of the dumbest application designs known to man there's a lot of legacy baggage that you sort of just have to accept is how real world software works.

[aks@scalie.zone]

@BrodieOnLinux @soller @tripplehelix definitely, if one can avoid hacks its the best thing to do but in some rare cases theres nothing else you can do..

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix We can get rid of the security holes but things like:

- icon themes
- desktop icons
- app indicators
- server side decorations

Are generally not security issues. Loading third party javascript straight into the compositor however...

[brodieonlinux@mstdn.social]

@aks @soller @tripplehelix A simple one that lead to a lot of discussion is "should applications be able to choose there own location or should that be the responsibility of the compositor". Sensibly it was thought that it should be the compositors job but there are a few CAD applications that require placing there own windows or at least something that can accommodate something similar.

I know for sure don't have all the answers and anyone claiming to probably isn't considering every case.

[nostalgickitsune@social.treehouse.systems]

@soller @BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix I don't think removing desktop icons is a bad thing, window managers like Sway and i3 don't even use them.

There are alternative methods to support them

[nostalgickitsune@social.treehouse.systems]

@soller Jordan's response was too impulsive, and I feel like saying that, but at the moment I see that there is a huge rift, even some comments are not exactly optimal here and elsewhere (Using nicknames and insults doesn't help at all, just saying)

There is a lack of maturity and professionalism in both parties.

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@NostalgicKitsune Please understand that the people in my thread are reacting to Jordan's response, which may have affected the tone they use.

[nostalgickitsune@social.treehouse.systems]

@soller Understandable, but it doesn't help, at least I'm the one who doesn't appreciate this behavior, this in both parts

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@NostalgicKitsune Would anything ever help?

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@NostalgicKitsune @BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix I can get desktop icons by using cosmic-files, because sway has layer-shell support

[nostalgickitsune@social.treehouse.systems]

@soller @BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix I understood it ha ha, having tried COSMIC (which imho seems very interesting)

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@NostalgicKitsune @BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix Sorry I accidentally some words, edited.

[theevilskeleton@social.treehouse.systems]

@soller last time I checked, System76 isn't much better either

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@TheEvilSkeleton The only group that seems to harbor a dislike of System76 are all GNOME contributors!

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@TheEvilSkeleton The only group that seems to harbor a dislike of System76 are GNOME contributors!

It is precisely the "my way or the highway" style y'all have that led to this. Maybe we can block eachother and move on with life?

[theevilskeleton@social.treehouse.systems]

@soller yeah, because GNOME is the only group System76 decided (and miserably failed) to dictate the direction

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@TheEvilSkeleton What are you talking about?

[triskelion@floss.social]

@soller @TheEvilSkeleton Probable it's about COSMIC no longer being a fork of GNOME xD

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@triskelion @TheEvilSkeleton Thank the gods we don't have to adapt to their choices anymore.