@Natanox that is good but the project is about replacing Google services. Main focus on Mura cloud and theiar the shitshow bins.
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i3le lost and foundreplied to i3le lost and found last edited by
@Natanox if you only want to use e on a phone with out mura than you have to compare it to #grapheneos and than we know the winner and that is not eos
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to i3le lost and found last edited by
@i3le *sigh* Okay, let's completely ignore that my toot was about affordability for a moment and let's assume everyone is rich and knows about NitroPhones so they can go buy a phone with GrapheneOS.
Does GrapheneOS provide full app support without (!) a learning curve about the sandbox? Does it come with proper cloud integration and functionalities in any way or do you have to know what you do to set things up yourself? Will the average user be happy or rather annoyed by the many hurdles?
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
@i3le You, as many other in the FOSS community, keep ignoring what accessibility means. It means that people without background knowledge in tech can pick up a device and enjoy using it.
You should *not* have to know how the internals of an engine work to drive a car. You should only have to know where to look or ask if a warning sign lights up.
Now, given it also was about affordability⦠yeah. GrapheneOS isn't even well affordable for most but really expensive.
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
@i3le Sorry if I'm rather harsh now, but I had this discussion a myriad of times about both smartphones and Linux desktop and I'm annoyed as all hell about how we're kept back by a lack of understanding the needs of those who're not part of our nerdy sub-culture.
If @e_mydata really got that encryption problem with the cloud they have to fix that asap indeed. However for anything else, they do a fantastic job making actual privacy accessible to the masses without a degradation of life quality.
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i3le lost and foundreplied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
@Natanox you can geht a supported grapheneos phone for 200 Euro if you are willing to usw the web flasher
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to i3le lost and found last edited by
@i3le So we have to either throw accessibility or affordability out of the window.
And then there's also the difference between buying a used phone from someone (with all its connected risks and lowered support window) and buying new directly from a store where you got warranty.
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i3le lost and foundreplied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
@Natanox i think you cant geht nearly on a save dirivitive if you have uasers who dont care
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to i3le lost and found last edited by
@i3le It's not about caring, I'm arguing for people who don't *know* and therefore are afraid to do something wrong.
Just because I don't want to replace a broken part of my (theoretical) car's engine myself it's not that I'm not caring, but I don't want to screw it up or simply don't have the time or nerves to do it.
Arguing otherwise is simply disrespectful towards people.
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i3le lost and foundreplied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
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i3le lost and foundreplied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
@Natanox no. i dont know is shuld be no blocker. Its the oportunity to learn something new
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to i3le lost and found last edited by
@i3le @e_mydata Then tell them they have to do better in terms of security, but don't argue as if GrapheneOS would be in any shape or form an alternative in terms of affordability *and* accessibility. Because that's what this thread was about, their (current) 200β¬ phone that comes with all the features expected from a current smartphone by the average person.
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to i3le lost and found last edited by
@i3le That's privileged as all hell.
Just because I want to live in a nice house doesn't mean I have to learn how it was build or how to install a window.
If I had an interest in craftsmanship then I wouldn't mind. I don't though, so I want it to be nice from the get-go.Same with technology. Not everyone has to learn everything, our lives ain't long enough for that - especially for seniors, assumably.
They want it to just work. But they ALSO deserve actual privacy.It *has* to be available.
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i3le lost and foundreplied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
@Natanox if you cant afford something you can possibly better at build it yourself .
if you can afford it and you buy a good product
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to i3le lost and found last edited by
@i3le That's why I already told you *twice* that your goal should be to to put pressure on Murena to fix their shit, NOT to point people to something they either can't afford, can't viably access or, in the worst case, even both!
Having a device for 200β¬ is at least something everyone can access within the realms of "budget" smartphones, even if it ain't perfect. It also gives people a glimpse over the edge of big tech; it's an enabler.
You basically just said "get money or get good". Wtf.
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i3le lost and foundreplied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
@Natanox i would like to point out that you can do better for less money. Than that
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to i3le lost and found last edited by
@i3le Show me a store I can buy a degoogled (or otherwise privacy-enabled), highly compatible, modern, new Smartphone (incl. warranty and 14-day return policy) with software and cloud amenities included in a way even the most mid boomer understands for 200β¬ that's objectively better than /e/OS' offering.
(I don't want to be such a Murena chill btw, I simply try to argue objectively and in favour of a non-tech'y person)