@josemurilo o que pensas sobre a integração do ATmosphere com o ActivityPub?
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Robin Berjonreplied to Ecologia Digital last edited by
@josemurilo @uira Those are very interesting questions and also an important topic here in Europe even if the situation is different! I would love to sit down and spend more time working through the details of what would be the best approach here. A couple quick notes:
* I think that deploying AT PDS hosting alternative to Bluesky would be relatively easy, cheap, and useful. It would serve as a guarantee of independence.
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* Building new protocols atop AT. Maybe there is something to do with Pix?
* Build up capacity for Ozone governance so people can make their own content moderation.That's just a few morning thoughts from an ocean away of course, I'd love to hear what you think would be most useful!
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Ecologia Digitalreplied to Robin Berjon last edited by
Thanks for being there, man!
In your view, the way to go would be something like that?@atproto/pds
Reference implementation of atproto Personal Data Server (PDS). Latest version: 0.4.59, last published: 8 days ago. Start using @atproto/pds in your project by running `npm i @atproto/pds`. There is 1 other project in the npm registry using @atproto/pds.
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Can you tell if this conversation in Europe has translated somehow into code development by gov agencies?
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Robin Berjonreplied to Ecologia Digital last edited by
@josemurilo @uira I think there are more details about that at https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds. But before jumping into the hosting part, I would recommend spending some time figuring out what the goals are and what the governance for such a PDS hosting service would be. In my mind, when democracy works it is also a school for democracy, and we all need to learn how to do democracy in digital spaces, there is very little experience. Maybe this is a place to experiment!
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@josemurilo @uira One idea I like is to help people organise to create their own content moderation. We don't all need to have the same one but if every individual has to do all of it alone that's way too much work. But people could come together in groups to produce content moderation labels, and others can apply those labels (to block, mute, etc.). I think there's great collective potential there. Tools like https://github.com/bluesky-social/ozone can help.
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@josemurilo @uira Regarding the European conversation, right now it's mostly talking. There is this event coming up: https://digital-independence.eu/ (sorry for the bad accessibility on that page) and a lot of discussion on the topic, but not a lot of concrete work yet.
I think Brazil is ahead on this topic. I look at something like Pix and I think "Hey! Why isn't the European Central Bank doing that!?"
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@josemurilo @uira There are other examples around the world (e.g. Beckn). I think it would be wonderful if we had some kind of place that all of us who are interested in democratic digital spaces and digital self-determination could come together to share experiences and debate how best to do things.
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Ecologia Digitalreplied to Robin Berjon last edited by
@robin @skarnio @aracnus @evan
Hello Robin, thnks for the help!
I've talked with friends in gov.br, and your notes caused some surprise. 1st, as we work with public policy, we are comfortable with AP, and not so much with AT. You say that developing AT/AP integration is not easy, but then, that would be our main challenge.
You mentioned PIX, and we've been thinking how it could be part of the protocol. Do you think it could somehow help the AT/AP integration?
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Ecologia Digital last edited by
@josemurilo @robin @skarnio @aracnus I don't think anyone working on setting up servers should have to worry about supporting multiple protocol stacks. We have a great bridge between AT and AP, and that should be all anyone needs.
Your team can concentrate on supporting AP, and anyone using BlueSky can get to the service through the bridge. It's almost seamless.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by [email protected]
@josemurilo @robin @skarnio @aracnus
As far as which to work on, well: one is an open standard defined by a well-respected standards organization. It has hundreds of implementations, tens of thousands of installed servers. Many stakeholders, many users.
The other is a proprietary protocol by a single venture-funded Silicon Valley startup.
Government organizations should be investing in AP.