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Lol fuckerberg, its too funny

(Sorry I don't have anything to contribute to this discussion)

DBosiers

@ExFed Lol, I messaged 20+ connections to step over...nobody. We have a saying "what the farmer doesn't know, the farmer doesn't like" I fear signal has to be mentioned a thousand times from all directions before they "trust" it. The publics trust is based on repetition and the concept that a big firm has more to lose than an non profit.

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It's not impossible if you are a good developer

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It's not really a whatsapp alternative. More like a facebook messenger alternative. It replaces and encrypts dms from mastodon, pixelfed, lemmy, etc

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Loops and sup started as upgrades to pixelfed and then got spun off.

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There's Frendica

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We are on Lemmy and some are against everything who is centralized.

astro_ray

With so many examples like twitter, reddit, Factbook, whatsapp, instagram etc. can you really blame us for not liking centralized services? Also, I don't hate all centralized services. I love Wikipedia, Openstreetmap.org etc. Also, the outage of OSM earlier proves that single point of failure is a reason for concern.

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~~Sup~~ Signal = WhatsApp

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@Andromxda why?? @fediverse @shnizmuffin

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It would help with a lot, yah

Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼

There's nothing inherently wrong with Sup, but it's very new and hasn't had the chance to stand the test of time yet. It also has very few users and isn't as intuitive as straightforward as Signal, which is basically just a carbon copy of WhatsApp (UI/UX-wise). Network effect is a very important aspect.
Federated networks aren't easy to explain to users, this is already a huge issue for Mastodon, and it's probably why it hasn't taken over social media.
As other comments here have pointed out, Sup would be a closer alternative to stuff like Facebook Messenger than to WhatsApp. I'd say Signal is still the best option for private and secure instant messaging.

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What about Simplex over Matrix?

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I don't like centralized services. I also never pretended the opposite.

This is for me and my usage. The caveat is that not everyone is in the tech. We can look at the disastrous communication of Mastodon. They focussed and lots of people promoting it focussed too on the “decentralized argument”. This backfired. It was not clear for the public. A good strategy would have been to market Mastodon as an alternative with an easy process to create an account on the general website. Tech people would have chosen another server and do their stuffs. People would learn progressively the decentralization part and move from server to server. This takes time. We have to put great strategies in places and be patient to bring the public to the fedi.

ExFed

I fear signal has to be mentioned a thousand times from all directions before they "trust" it.

Yes. A thousand times yes. The risk profiles humans naturally adapted to are not well aligned with the artificial risk profiles we see today. I can't fault someone for not transcending their own natural instincts, because heaven knows I can't.

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And they're not going to leave WhatsApp for Sup? either.
All I'm saying is we've had an alternative for decades, even before WA was created, we don't need another one, we need the one we already have to have more success.

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Pidgin is a client, not a specific protocol.

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Sure, it looks great. But it doesn't have the popularity of Matrix, which is already less popular than XMPP which has enjoyed decent adoption since it's inception.

suoko

So Snapchat is lossinh money with its service?
I don't think so

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I know, I just remember I used to use it with jabber xmpp but I think after everyone got gtalk and then everyone got cellphones everyone moved away from those types of clients