Sometimes, I find myself feeling burnt out about the #Fediverse.
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Sam Sethi :pc2red: ⁂replied to Sean Tilley last edited by
1/3 @deadsuperhero As someone new to developing ActivityPub apps the poor documentation was a big turn off. @fedify have done a great job in making it easier to build new apps and their documentation is much better. The new book by @evan is also a great read for new AP developers.
However given that the Activity Vocab was defined way back in 2017 by the W3C and Mastodon the biggest AP client still doesn't support all the verbs is a disappointment. e.g summary, listen etc.
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Sam Sethi :pc2red: ⁂replied to Sam Sethi :pc2red: ⁂ last edited by
2/3 - @deadsuperhero @fedify @evan I still think ActivityPub has a strong future. Sometimes it takes a decade before a technology finds its mojo. In recent months I have observed Flipboard, Threads, numerous new AP clients and my own app TrueFans all adopt ActivityPub. @fedidb has shown a significant growth on AP user numbers and @fediforum was great.
Also Apple, Linkedin, YouTube, Twitter and others are scraping our data to train their AI's. The Fediverse may be the only safe haven.
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Sam Sethi :pc2red: ⁂replied to Sam Sethi :pc2red: ⁂ last edited by
3/3 - @deadsuperhero @fedify @evan @fedidb @fediforum Sean I wouldn't get down. In the Podcasting 2.0 community we have similar challenges and problems. The big players like Apple and Spotify are not supporting the new RSS tags/standards. The collective open nature of developing new RSS tags means it moves slower than proprietary platforms like Spotify or YouTube.
Sean I don't have an answer to your questions but I do see momentum in both ActivityPub and Podcasting 2.0
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Sean Tilleyreplied to Sam Sethi :pc2red: ⁂ last edited by
@samsethi Honestly, I feel the same way most of the time. There’s a lot of exciting stuff going on, and I do still believe ActivityPub has time to evolve and mature. It’s just that, having watched the space for so long, some days feel like everything slows down and speeds up at random.
I think we still have a bright future ahead of us. The difficult part is figuring out the growing pains.
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@deadsuperhero In spite of how many years it has been, we are all still in the very early phases ("tech enthusiast") of the tech adoption cycle. What we see in the #Fediverse right now is straight out of the textbook: lots of tinkering, bandaids, very geek heavy, no money.
But we are about to move out of this phase into the "visionary adopters" of which we now have a few. That will change the ecosystem quite a bit, but towards sustainability and higher quality. -
I suppose I should have known what a "visionary adopter" is but nothing came to mind.
I'll have to look it up.
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I'm referring to the version of tech adoption cycles commonly associated with McKenna and Geoffrey Moore's books Crossing the Chasm etc.
Also, this is a multi-sided "market", so the model applies differently on the user side and the developer/vendor side. It's possible we are further along on the user side than the developer/vendor side.
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Oh come on. @[email protected] has been part of the fediverse for years and has as deep an understanding as anybody I talk to. OK, you disagree with him on this -- but he's far from the only long-term fediverse person who's highlighted the dismissiveness (and often ignorance) many people here have when they talk about Bluesky.
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smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)replied to Sean Tilley last edited by
That's a great summary and glad you kept a list of @hrefna posts, as I didn't have that ready.
Before Bluesky really started they created a document comparing all existing decentralized protocols having any amount of uptake. That doc lived at Gitlab, but looks to be gone + not archived either.
I did find a snippet by @cwebber - co-author of ActivityPub spec - on AP with OCaps:
https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2535398
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smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)replied to smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) last edited by
Oh, btw, @hrefna has brought us many more insightful discussion threads than those referenced in that list.
Unfortunately, unless one is a heck of a dilligent note taker - a fedi scribe - everything that's discussed in fedi timeline history is bound to be lost forever.
Btw, there's a current topic at SocialHub collecting a wishlist for future version of AP protocol: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/desired-changes-for-a-future-revision-of-activitypub-and-activitystreams/4534
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@jdp23 Pretty clear from your response that you didn't bother to actually read what I said.
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@[email protected] yes, actually, I did read where you said to Sean "you are completely clueless" and "You just have no idea what the Fediverse is about."
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@jdp23 Sure, but I wasn't denying that people say negative things about BlueSky or Nostr, which is the thing you defended. I said their criticisms weren't due to "not invented here" which would be obvious to anyone not living in a techbro bubble as Sean clearly does.
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Charles U. Farleyreplied to Charles U. Farley last edited by
@jdp23 The other option is that he's not in fact clueless, knows people's problems with Jack and operating a social network for profit, and is simply lying.
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@[email protected] your mileage may vary, but most of the criticisms I’ve seen about Bluesky not using AP are based on dismissing the very valid technical reasons it’s not a good choice for the kind of all-public Twitter alternative they’re building. And in terms of Bluesky in general, the loudest voice against them is Evan; he’s a big fan of Threads’ involvement in the reverse, and for that matter was the first person to get VC funding for his fediverse startup (back in 2009) so while you may his objection to Bluesky as based on a principled objection to running social networks for profit … that’s not how it looks to me .
More generally, yes there are some people who oppose Meta, Flipboard, Vivaldi, and all other big tech involvement in the reverse as well as Bluesky - that’s certainly a consistent position. But in many cases the dislike for Bluesky is so intense people haven’t dug into it to understand the actual architecture … but still make confident (but very incorrect) statements.