This is still holding up well I see lol
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Incredible funny how effective this is
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@laurenshof I like your theory, except … is it really meaningful publicity? I don’t think anybody but us even notices this feature.
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@Jonathanglick lol yes very good point. i do think its enough to trick people like theverge/mkbhd crowd who are only partially paying attention into thinking that a meaningful number of people use the threads-fediverse connection, even though its probably around 30k threads accounts total who have turned on federation
(m.s. knows about 15k threads accounts as per 3 weeks ago, so thats how i extrapolate to the 30k)
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@laurenshof @Jonathanglick Oh really, you reckon just 30k?!
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yes:
-m.s. knows about 15k threads accounts
-so the question is: how many federated threads accounts are there that are followed by someone on fedi but not by someone on m.s.
-i have no idea what a good multiplication factor is, but m.s. is a quarter of total fedi mau, but also culturally skews way more towards openness with threads, compared to lots of other servers who have defederated
-so im just going with a simple 2x. maybe 3x is fair, but doesnt change much -
@ricmac @Jonathanglick which all makes it very funny that everyone on fediforum today is talking about threads and nobody is talking about bluesky because the fediforum crowd is completely missing the actual trend what is currently happening in the world of decentralised social networks
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@ricmac @laurenshof I wonder if it’s even that much. You need to understand a lot (and have strong ideological commitment to a very theoretically value prop) to bother turning it on.
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It's not about people noticing the feature, it's about people noticing the TechCrunch etc articles about the feature and saying "oh interesting, Threads is doing new stuff and isn't just a Twitter clone, and they're really committed to playing nice with those decentralized open source folks."
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@Jonathanglick @ricmac plus you get prompted after 30 days if youre sure about it and might want to consider turning it off again
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Yeah really, I was in two sessions when people talked about the Global South and the fediverse and had to resist the urge to say "Brazil's in the Global South, right? Why aren't we talking about Bluesky?"
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@jdp23 @laurenshof @Jonathanglick To be fair, I think most of the community accepts ActivityPub as the accepted W3C standard of the fediverse, with the implication that Bluesky (and Nostr) need to sync with AP — which neither is going to do anytime soon. But when I see Tim Berners-Lee write about Bluesky (on Bluesky) and completely ignore AP and Mastodon, I do wonder if the W3C is truly behind this. #FediForum
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I've been writing about this! https://privacy.thenexus.today/is-bluesky-part-of-todays-fediverse/
The fediverse has always been multi-protocol. History didn't end in 2017 when Mastodon adopted ActivityPub. Opinions differ on whether Bluesky should be considered part of today's fediverse, for a variety of reasons, but the narrow gatekeping ActivityPub-only view isn't a recipe for success.
Especially considering AP's known issues, which @[email protected] was coincidentally enough just posting about! https://hachyderm.io/@hrefna/113126041957353107
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@jdp23 @Jonathanglick @ricmac oh no lol
already not great, to say the least, and even more so when you start to realise how much the brazilians are running circles around westerners when it comes to social media usage
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Everybody: "it'd be great to have more people from the Global South in the Fediverse"
Jon: "y'know, with Bridgy Fed and Friendica both offering two-way connectivity to Bluesky, I really think it's part of the Fediverse ... which is good because millions of Brazilians have just signed up for it!"
everybody except for @[email protected] "no not like that"
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I had a serious moment thanks to what happened with Brazil and the extreme… lack of apparent care to engage with that around these parts.
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@[email protected] yeah. @[email protected] was highlighting that as it was happening.
It's frustrating on so many levels. People looking for a Twitter alternative are much more likely to have a good experience on Bluesky than Mastodon -- and AP's a chunk of the reason why (although certainly not the only chunk, there are also the usability and onboarding issues that have been challenges since 2017).
By contrast people looking for more of a networked communities approach are more likely to find that on Mastodon (or Glitch, Hometown, Akkoma, whatever) because it doesn't exist yet on Bluesky ... as long as they can find an instance that's a good match There are in fact a bunch of Brazilian instances ... but good luck finding 'em if you start on joinmastodon.social or sign up in the mobile app.
I talked about the whole dynamic some in the "It's the end of the Fediverse as we know it – and I feel fine" section of https://privacy.thenexus.today/bluesky-atmosphere-fediverse/ but will probably go into more detail in another post.
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