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I think that’s still tricky. For instance, most parts of the world have few Japanese migrants, yet Japanese restaurants are almost everywhere. Usually these are owned by other Asian migrants. This is clearly profiteering, but I don’t see it as particularly problematic.

ElectricMachman

Interestingly, they also made a heroic "lazy" Mexican in the form of Slowpoke Rodriguez. (He pack a gun.)

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Here in the Netherlands it was brown immigrants from the former Dutch Indies who introduced rock n roll to the Dutch audience. Like the Blue Diamonds And at the time people, even politicians, would call them heathens and such. But now that historic fact is mostly forgotten. And people think it was British bands like the Beatles who brought rock to the Netherlands, even though these immigrant bands paved the way for rock acceptance and for the Beatles.

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Complaining about sharing cultures IS racism. These idiots complaining about cultural appropriation have gone too far up their own ass.

Melding, sharing food clothing and customs makes everyone better! These bullshit micro divisions need to stop.

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Fair enough!

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I wouldn't say it offends me, but it is a bit annoying when someone wears a weirdly modernized/made-sexy version of the traditional clothes of my region, when they're from somewhere else and don't give a shit about the history. Like, it's not problematic or anything, like it would be with religious items or clothing of marginalized groups, but I'd still prefer they don't.

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Congratulations, You just defined cultural appropriation.

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The reason feelings of cultural appropriation exist is because the children of immigrants feel like society treats them as foreigners because they're not white, despite growing up all their lives in the US/UK etc. This leads to feeling like some dipshit is enjoying the food and fashion of your home culture while rejecting it's people. Think about a Maga moron voting to kick out all the Mexicans while wearing a sombrero and eating tacos; it's a hypocrisy of culture vs race.

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"We got to keep them seperate but treat them equal!"

Hmm wonder where I heard that before.

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Both of you are right.

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I wonder how much of the 'lazy Mexican' stereotype comes from a combination of an afternoon siesta (...to avoid the hottest part of the day, which could be deadly prior to air conditioning), and the chronic anemia that could be caused by hookworm infestations that used to be common in areas with poor sanitation (incl. the American south; some of the same stereotypes existed regarding rural southerners for many decades)?

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Yeah, but lederhosen are just kind of neat. Who doesn't like their men in short leather shorts, right? (Seriously though, the construction for very traditional lederhosen is kind of neat. I've tried it, and it's a challenge without being able to skive all your seams.)

Flying Squid

I'd say this goes a little deeper than that, because American black people literally invented the art form while being actively segregated from white audiences (and much of society in general) and then all the credit goes to a white Southerner.

acargitz

Using "cultural appropriation" to drag down regular people is kind of pointless, like freaking out at someone for putting the wrong recyclable type of plastic trash in the garbage.

Cultural appropriation matters at the corporate level, where media shapes what regular people do. Do you want to talk about cultural appropriation? Talk about Disney, talk about Hollywood, talk about Jeep Cherokee, and Decathlon Quechua. To keep with the recycling analogy: your problem shouldn't be ordinary people messing up their trash sorting, it should be vendors mass producing plastic trash for everything.

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I may be mistaken but I don't think I've ever seen a French guy painted in black. However I don't think it's in anyway related to historical reasons, it's mostly because it looks dumb and out of place.

Transferring your argument to the Sevilla parade where black faces were the norm last week, I believe they played a relatively minor role in the slave trade. And I have not seen a single black guy in the street the duration I was there, apart from one frenchman.

Flying Squid

I believe they played a relatively minor role in the slave trade.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Slavery in Cuba - Wikipedia

(en.wikipedia.org)

Only abolished by Spanish royal decree in 1887. One of the last European colonies in the Americas to abolish slavery. Only Brazil came afterward two years later.

Lemminary

Yeah, I wanted to set some parameters for it. I thought it'd be unhelpful without specifying where I draw the line.

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That's just racism and you're not going to fix it by isolating the immigrants more by chastising people that enjoy their culture.

It makes zero sense if the goal is to fight racism. If anything you'd want there to be MORE immersion and exchange of cultures so the immigrants are seen as part of the new fabric instead of separate from it.

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Well I can be quite clueless you know No need for hyperbole there, we're not on Twitter

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A good example I heard once was concerning the tagelharpa. It's an Estonian instrument, historically used in Estonian culture, however if you hear it you'll probably think Vikings. The modern viking/pagan/neofolk music scene uses it prominently, and as it has a much broader reach than Estonian culture, this has lead (through no fault of the musicians I must add) to situations where many people think of it as a "viking" instrument, even though it never was. Thus, a piece of Estonian culture is widely appreciated as belonging to another culture, due to popular media influence.

I don't know if this is really an example of cultural appropriation, but that example helped me grasp the concept (if it is a good example).